Kayteg1 wrote:Reality Check wrote:
You're killing me....
I have/had, 250's, 350's, 450's, 550's.. The axle to rear is the same regardless of single, duals, short, long, naked, dressed, polka dots or political affiliation.
The 'need glasses' comment back at 'cha....🙂
You make broad statement on your limited experience.
You are right that Ford lists all rear overhangs at 52", what leaves about 50" for cab to axle, but F550 are also coming with about 80" cab to axle.
The white truck seem to have the 50/50 box, but I keep measuring the front of the box to rear overhang of new DUALLY trucks and no matter what picture I take, it is coming like 64/36.
Would probably take a visit to a dealer with tape measure to check it, but put your tape measure on this picture.
Update. Went to Ford dealer to see dually I like and took tape measure with me.
This is what I measure.
The rear overhang from axle to end of the bumper is in fact 52" but the bumper alone is 9" and tailgate thickness about 5".
So on the picture above the bumper is barely visible, while comparing to bed floor the axle is placed like 60/38".
With hitch sticking behind bumper the proportion might not make big difference, but that design gives me much better weigh distribution with camper -comparing to older trucks.
Took quick look at shortbed, and the axle is at about 45% of bed floor.
Attitude explosions are normal thing on net forums, that is why I never volunteer for moderator job.
It is very hard and unappreciated no matter what.
But look at positive side.
I learned that combination hitches with more than 12k lb do exist.
Reality Check learn that his setup leaves much to safety desire.
Others will gain from it as well.
Beside I just notice on the picture above that Dodge dually has rear axle not far from 50% of truck bed as well.
Can't wait to put my tape measure on new Ford dually to confirm what I see on the pictures.
It is very hard and unappreciated no matter what.
But look at positive side.
I learned that combination hitches with more than 12k lb do exist.
Reality Check learn that his setup leaves much to safety desire.
Others will gain from it as well.
Beside I just notice on the picture above that Dodge dually has rear axle not far from 50% of truck bed as well.
Can't wait to put my tape measure on new Ford dually to confirm what I see on the pictures.
Why a WD hitch? well without it my 48" supertruss extension is rated at a 600# pound tongue weight and with WD bars its rated at 1200# and with my horse trailer I need every last one of those 1200 pounds to handle the tongue weight and it has done so safely for 6 years of use.
ticki2 wrote:jimh425 wrote:mkirsch wrote:
The dead weight of the tongue pries down on the shank/extension. The WD bars pry up.
I think we just have a terminology problem. My point is the weight doesn't disappear or is attached differently just because you hookup a WDH. The WDW is designed to push up not down on the hitch, but to do that the force still goes through the hitch. There are no other attachment points to the truck. If you are worried about hitch strength, a WDH isn't going to fix it. The lever arm is still 4 feet.
Then why are the hitch and the extension both rated for more weight WITH a WDH ?
No , the weight doesn't disappear , It is distributed differently through the attachment point . The upward force is subtracted from the downward force to lessen the downward reaction at that point . Then it is transferred through the frames to the front axle of the tow vehicle and the trailer axles .
Here are some weights with an extension and a WDH. Note the weight change as the WDH is tightened (links #).
Most importantly, A WDH greatly reduces the dynamic loading on the receiver because as it flexes, the bar loading increases proportionaly.
Kayteg1 wrote:
We can talk forever, but without getting on tape measure we are not going anywhere. I will visit dealer in next couple of weeks anyway, so I will ask question then.
With hitch it is easy.
The combination hitches come with 8000lb ratings, going to 12,000lb with 2 5/16 balls.
The one on the picture sure doesn't look like 2 5/16"
Just becouse someone did monkey job, doesn't make it doable, or usable in common sense.
Insufferable...
Yep... But then, what do I know. You've already told me I have 'limited knowledge'.
Get out of your box Kayteg...
finsruskw wrote:
I have safety chains bigger than that on my single axle utility trailer that I haul two 900 pound garden tractors on.
You ever been DOT'd w/that rig?
^^^^ Seriously, when is the last time a grey shirt "DOT'd" an RV? Do you even know anything about what you're asking? Can you tell me the difference between a Level 1, 2 or 3 inspection? Did you read anything further or just look at a picture? Tell me this: what size chains does one actually need on a 3000# trailer (garden tractor trailer) to be legal.
We can talk forever, but without getting on tape measure we are not going anywhere. I will visit dealer in next couple of weeks anyway, so I will ask question then.
With hitch it is easy.
The combination hitches come with 8000lb ratings, going to 12,000lb with 2 5/16 balls.
The one on the picture sure doesn't look like 2 5/16"
Just becouse someone did monkey job, doesn't make it doable, or usable in common sense.
With hitch it is easy.
The combination hitches come with 8000lb ratings, going to 12,000lb with 2 5/16 balls.
The one on the picture sure doesn't look like 2 5/16"
Just becouse someone did monkey job, doesn't make it doable, or usable in common sense.
Reality Check wrote:
And for added grins...
With 2-3" of travel before pintle ring hits top of the hitch, I bet this is dentist-sponsored setup. 😉
That hitch is 8000lb rated, I was pulling 18,000lb
Chains on the picture looks like 4000lb rated. Nice monkey job.
