May-03-2019 02:48 PM
May-04-2019 07:49 PM
rjstractor wrote:Oil extraction, transportation and refining has its issues too.
Lithium mining has a huge enviormental impact as well. Any form of energy storage and transfer (energy cannot be created or destroyed) has environmental implications. People tend to focus on that comes out of the tailpipe (or lack therof) but the overall picture is much larger.
May-04-2019 04:34 PM
May-04-2019 08:37 AM
1320Fastback wrote:Reisender wrote:rhagfo wrote:RAS43 wrote:Kevinwa wrote:
I like how electric vehicles are referred to as “zero emission”. It’s like electricity grows on trees to some.
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While the vehicle itself in use is "Zero Emissions", getting there is not!
To truly claim that "Zero Emissions" the electricity would need to come from either wind or hyrdo. The batteries would need to 100% recyclable without toxic chemicals, not likely to happen soon.
Curious. What toxic chemicals are in batteries. I know lead acid are toxic and can’t go to a landfill but don’t know what’s in a lithium ion battery that makes it toxic.
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact
Electric vehicles are not angels.
May-04-2019 08:32 AM
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May-04-2019 08:17 AM
May-04-2019 08:17 AM
thomasmnile wrote:Don't forget the person in Washington that said the world would end in 12 years. Remember the crazy people who use to hold up signs (the end is near) that people use to laugh at, now we elect them to Washington.
10 or 15 years from now the green house emissions pablum we've been getting fed will be replaced with some other hysteria.
31 years ago environmental experts Ted Danson & Whoopi Goldberg stood on the stage of the Democratic National Convention and told the crowd if global warming wasn't reversed in 10 years the planet would be inundated. Yet, here we are.....
ICE engines are going nowhere unless outlawed by the gubbiment.
May-04-2019 08:14 AM
Reisender wrote:rhagfo wrote:RAS43 wrote:Kevinwa wrote:
I like how electric vehicles are referred to as “zero emission”. It’s like electricity grows on trees to some.
X2
X3
While the vehicle itself in use is "Zero Emissions", getting there is not!
To truly claim that "Zero Emissions" the electricity would need to come from either wind or hyrdo. The batteries would need to 100% recyclable without toxic chemicals, not likely to happen soon.
Curious. What toxic chemicals are in batteries. I know lead acid are toxic and can’t go to a landfill but don’t know what’s in a lithium ion battery that makes it toxic.
May-04-2019 08:05 AM
Reisender wrote:
Curious. What toxic chemicals are in batteries. I know lead acid are toxic and can’t go to a landfill but don’t know what’s in a lithium ion battery that makes it toxic.
May-04-2019 07:40 AM
pitch wrote:thomasmnile wrote:
10 or 15 years from now the green house emissions pablum we've been getting fed will be replaced with some other hysteria.
31 years ago environmental experts Ted Danson & Whoopi Goldberg stood on the stage of the Democratic National Convention and told the crowd if global warming wasn't reversed in 10 years the planet would be inundated. Yet, here we are.....
ICE engines are going nowhere unless outlawed by the gubbiment.
Your statement is as ignorant as Goldbergs and Dansons. The ICE is most definitely going to disappear on Americas hiways. Maybe not in 10 to 15 years but it is coming. And guess what, They will probably be Chinese. The Chinese government is throwing its full weight and treasury into Electric vehicle development while the good ol USA is populated by people that refuse to open their eyes and look at the way the world is changing. If we Americans refuse to get behind the research and funding for non traditional energy, they will eat our lunch!!!
May-04-2019 07:24 AM
thomasmnile wrote:
10 or 15 years from now the green house emissions pablum we've been getting fed will be replaced with some other hysteria.
31 years ago environmental experts Ted Danson & Whoopi Goldberg stood on the stage of the Democratic National Convention and told the crowd if global warming wasn't reversed in 10 years the planet would be inundated. Yet, here we are.....
ICE engines are going nowhere unless outlawed by the gubbiment.
May-04-2019 07:10 AM
KD4UPL wrote:Extremely well stated. I can see the use of electric commuter cars to reduce pollution in the major cities.
I think most of these predictions of the demise of the ICE are largely made by young, tech-savvy urbanites. I don't think they have a clue what their predictions mean for the rest of the country.
Farmers, loggers, and excavators use ICE equipment all day long (and sometimes all night). Even if there were electric combines, tractors, log skiders, etc. exactly where do they think they will recharged in the middle of a wheat field or the forest? Equipment doesn't come back to a farm or business every night where there might be grid power. It stays out where it is needed.
Then there is the economics of everyone getting new electric vehicles. It's very common to see 20 year old vehicles on the road. 30 year old vehicles aren't rare. I even see some 40 year old models regularly enough. There's no way people that drive all these older vehicles are going to go spend the $40,000 or more that it takes to buy a new electric car. My own fleet of 4 vehicles range from 17 to 9 years old. They continue to serve us well. When I buy a vehicle it's typically 5 to 10 years old.
I suspect that the vast majority of towing will still be ICE powered in 15 years. For all the hype on electric cars now they're only about 3% of all vehicles.
May-04-2019 06:47 AM
May-04-2019 06:39 AM
4x4ord wrote:
I think my next couple of trucks will be Cummins or Powerstroke powered but after that I'm going to guess it will be an internal combustion bi fuel engine with some sort of regenerative braking.... likely electric.
May-04-2019 06:04 AM