Which truck

[RickLight]

I think I've found 2 really good choices, but deciding between them is getting hard.

The trucks are both 2015, crew cab, short bed with a nice trim package and almost exactly the same price. Otherwise:

Ram 2500HD 6.7l Turbo Cummins 17Klbs towing
or
Chevy 3500 6l Vortec gas 16Klbs towing

I'm not interested in re-waging the gas/diesel wars, or the Brand wars. I've been reading a lot about all that here and it's been very helpfull! What I'm looking for is the fine points about these specific rigs.
"What are the likely problems over the next 5 years."

Our trailer is 95% certain to be a Grand Design Reflection 150 273MK. Under 10,000 gross! OK, we may want to upgrade someday but we certainly don't need more room. The purpose is month long trips to national parks or other cool places. Alaska (again :)) visiting the kids wherever they drift to, etc. 10-15K miles a year.

Thanks!

[Grit_dog]

Who cares?
The OP doesn’t even care about the important aspects of the comparison between the 2 trucks. He’s bird dogging the almighty AreVee.net gvw/axle reccomendations, not even knowing the trucks he’s looking at have the same axles and that both are the same as their 3/4 or 1 ton counterparts save for an extra leaf spring and a door badge.

[seminole39]

I'm not sure how this got derailed into odometer fraud but once again, you would be surprised what can be achieved with 20 minutes time on the new "computer controlled" gauge clusters

[Edd505]

RickLIght wrote:
Think I've answered my question - with thanks to the inquiring prodding. Interestingly it doesn't involve gas or diesel. But please check my math!

Heaviest trailer: 13400 so 20% pin weight of 2680.
Add 4 adults @150 = 600
35 gallons of fuel = 250 ish (oil and other fluids)
Trailer saver TS3 hitch = 250

GRAND TOTAL 3,780

No 3/4 ton truck I'm familiar with will do that. Not even a newly discovered 2017 Ford f250 diesel.

With that thought I'm doing further research on 1-ton diesels. Either that or we give up until we get the lighter weight trailer.

Thanks for the help folks.

Look at an F350, you won't be sorry, I'm on my 4th SD 2nd F350.

[Cummins12V98]

p220sigman wrote:

RickLIght wrote:

seminole39 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"More than likely the cummins has 100,000+ more miles on it."

Not likely! Not so easy to mess with the odometer these days.

you couldn't be more wrong about that but whatever you say, chief

I think he means that the engine can go another 100,000 miles beyond what the gas one can do. While I think that's true the gap has been narrowing.

What I interpreted it as referring to the possibility that the odometer on the diesel has been tampered with to reduce the miles if it is the same price as a gasser with equal mileage. I agree that it is much more difficult to commit odometer fraud these days with everything being computer controlled and tracked.

Thank you!

[Grit_dog]

^ Unless you're going dually, you're not gaining much of anything going to a 1 ton srw from a 3/4 ton, save for peace of mind if it worries you.
Ha, just thought of RVnet this morning when I loaded a mostly empty 2500gal fuel cell onto a triple axle GN trailer hooked to a Ram 2500 with a big steel flatbed.
Was thinking " I wonder if the driver calculated the weight of him and his passenger (about 600lbs, the one dude was 4hundy easy), pin weight, weight distribution, the dynamic forces of 200 gal of fuel sloshing, rawr, gvwr, gcvwr?"
Then I realized I was in the real world. Guy slapped a couple chains over the tank and took off down the mountain.

[RickLight]

Think I've answered my question - with thanks to the inquiring prodding. Interestingly it doesn't involve gas or diesel. But please check my math!

Heaviest trailer: 13400 so 20% pin weight of 2680.
Add 4 adults @150 = 600
35 gallons of fuel = 250 ish (oil and other fluids)
Trailer saver TS3 hitch = 250

GRAND TOTAL 3,780

No 3/4 ton truck I'm familiar with will do that. Not even a newly discovered 2017 Ford f250 diesel.

With that thought I'm doing further research on 1-ton diesels. Either that or we give up until we get the lighter weight trailer.

Thanks for the help folks.

[transamz9]

I had to put a new gauge cluster in my 2006 F350. Called the dealer and told them how many miles and hours were on the original. When the new one came in it had the miles and hours I told him. Not exactly the same as the original because i estimated because I was not around the truck when I ordered. I was off by a hundred miles or so and a few hours but I could have told them anything.

[noteven]

How do you alter an OE Cummins ECM to get it to agree with seller’s service records mileage on computer at various repair, oil change, and tire shops?

[p220sigman]

RickLIght wrote:

seminole39 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"More than likely the cummins has 100,000+ more miles on it."

Not likely! Not so easy to mess with the odometer these days.

you couldn't be more wrong about that but whatever you say, chief

I think he means that the engine can go another 100,000 miles beyond what the gas one can do. While I think that's true the gap has been narrowing.

What I interpreted it as referring to the possibility that the odometer on the diesel has been tampered with to reduce the miles if it is the same price as a gasser with equal mileage. I agree that it is much more difficult to commit odometer fraud these days with everything being computer controlled and tracked.

[Grit_dog]

^ Yeah...well...I think he meant the Cummins would have to have 100k more miles on it to be priced the same as the 6.0 Chebbie!

[RickLight]

seminole39 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"More than likely the cummins has 100,000+ more miles on it."

Not likely! Not so easy to mess with the odometer these days.

you couldn't be more wrong about that but whatever you say, chief

I think he means that the engine can go another 100,000 miles beyond what the gas one can do. While I think that's true the gap has been narrowing.

[seminole39]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"More than likely the cummins has 100,000+ more miles on it."

Not likely! Not so easy to mess with the odometer these days.

you couldn't be more wrong about that but whatever you say, chief

[ib516]

anw7405 wrote:
For a 10k trailer I would go with the Gasser all day long. The 6.0 is as bullet proof as they come. I think the HP and TQ numbers for the big 3 gassers are way off. Watch some IKE gauntlet tests with these trucks. They are all very very close. Even with the lack of numbers the chevy usually pulls off the win.

For some reason, the 6.4L Hemi takes a dump on the IKE every time.
It must just be a certain set of parameters that activate that "mode"(?).

When I owned mine, I never experienced that in my mountain towing a 12k 37 foot 5er; nor does that de-powering or whatever you want to call it show up on any other test (Davis Dam, flat drag races, towing acceleration, etc.). In those other circumstances, the extra power and tq the 6.4L Hemi has shows up as a win in the tests.

In any case, as reliable as the Chevy 6.0L might be, it's in last place power wise, and in need of an update/replacement. 360hp and 380tq in a 2018 2500 or 3500 is pretty embarrassing when you think a 2003 5.7L Hemi made 345hp (15 less) and 375tq (5 less) a decade and a half ago. GM can do better, but has chosen to ignore their HD gas engine customers, and I believe they have likely lost sales because of that.

Oh, and here's all 3 as 2017 models on a chassis dyno where the Chevy shows it's anemic power output when compared to the competition.



LINK TO SOURCE

[anw7405]

For a 10k trailer I would go with the Gasser all day long. The 6.0 is as bullet proof as they come. I think the HP and TQ numbers for the big 3 gassers are way off. Watch some IKE gauntlet tests with these trucks. They are all very very close. Even with the lack of numbers the chevy usually pulls off the win.

[Grit_dog]

troubledwaters wrote:
So what your telling me is all those people claiming you'll get your money back on the diesel when you sell it must be full of ****.

No, the OP left out part of the equation. He never mentioned miles.
If the 2 trucks have the same miles and same condition, then there’s more too it.
Salvage title on the deezul, underpriced diesel (not likely), overpriced gasser.

Nice try. Thanks for playing.....