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No more free parking in Anchorage (?)

explorenorth
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A possibly-important article just appeared at KTUU - Draft ordinance would ban RVs from overnight camping in Anchorage parking lots
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Kidoo
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Other towns have tried to get rid of RV on their Parking lots, probably pushed by campsite owners, only to find out they lost some business from the RV community. People just change the way they travel. Town should do like in Europe, they try to attract people by providing free overnight parking to Rv's. You can park just about anywhere and town business owners love it, they attract people, people spend money, everybody is happy, not just the campsite owner.

I don't care to much about Anchorage as a town, it is much like any other town in USA, a town is a town, but if I can stay there free, I might spend a night or two. If I have to pay 50 dollars to stay cramped up in a so so campsite, I will just stop over a few hours and keep on trucking like I did the first time I went through. The second year, I stayed at Cabella's, had diner in a restaurant and spent a good few dollars in souvenirs.

In Lake City Florida they once added no overnight post to find out nobody was stopping in the area anymore, ending up with a loose loose deal. They finaly went to the mayor to removed their no overnight post to allow RV back. The campground that tought people would use their campsite felt short, they gain nothing.

Samething in Matane Gaspesie in Quebec, a near town campsite owner was trying to make the town to ban RV in Walmart but it did not happen when RV'er heard about it, they made their voice heard and said they would just change their travel stop over. The stupid business man thought campers would all go to his campsite thinking that people where now atracted by the town's appeal. What was really appealing was the free parking at walmart, then they wher going to other business in town, not the oposite.

Many Walmart had their parking lot placarded with no overnight signs in Florida a few years ago and had a chase on Rv's. That is not the case anymore as I found out this winter. I stayed at many Walmart and other places like Home Depot or Casino's, even where they had no overnight post sign, they now seem to welcome them us back, or at least tolerate us. I also did spent over 3000 dollars in campsites this winter in Florida, just to say that yes I use campsites too. But when I am on my way, I love to stay at an easy in easy out place, assle free, where I can do most of my shopping at walie and other business close by. Everybody is happy.

One great tool now is Allstay, you can find free overnight stay all over USA and Canada with user review. Business probably find out that Rv'r are bringing good $$ to their day to day. Rv's don't take anything by just parking in their empty overnight parking lots, they actually bring more then they take by buying stuff. I actually think it is good for the business as there is someone in their lots to check things out at night.
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2lazy4U
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I spent a week in Palmer last summer and it's a nice town with everything one needs. Easy to access everything, also.

PA12DRVR
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Having seen Centennial Park for the better part of 30 years, I'd offer the following:

- Disclaimer: I've spent time in an around Centennial park, including the 10 years or so that I lived in Muldoon. Never camped there.
- It is not an "RV park" like one would expect in the L48.
- It is generally fairly dirty, but (looking solely at this aspect) can be tolerable.
- It does have a homeless issue. MOA and/or other property owners sometimes get on a kick to roust the homeless from around the city and when that happens the homeless or near-homeless increase at Centennial.
- IMO, there's no reason to stay at Centennial or any other park in "Anchorage"....just go an hour north to Palmer/Wasilla. Better facilities at the park(s), almost as many shopping amenities as Los Anchorage, closer to jumping off to the other parts of AK. If you're wanting to see the Kenai Peninsula, you'll still bring your RV in from north of Anchorage, and if you're not just passing through, no great time loss parking in Palmer.
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2gypsies1
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If you're satisfied with not staying in a typical RV park the city park was just fine for us.

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fanrgs
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PackerBacker wrote:
There are many municipalities in throughout the country that have camping facilities, it's not uncommon. Usually they are integrated with municipal park initiatives; great idea in my opinion.
Anchorage has a city campground called Centennial Camper Park. But, before you stay there, read the reviews at:

Don't Stay Here!
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lizzie
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We stayed at the lovely Anchorage campground mentioned in an earlier post in 2013. We needed to do laundry, have some work done on our truck, visit friends who live in Anchorage, and etc. Sometimes you just have to grin and bear it. We will probably stay there again if we can't find anything better. In over 50 years of camping/RV-ing, I have yet to stay in a WalMart parking lot. It may happen some day but not yet. We find that we feel more comfortable in designated camping areas even if they are primitive. It would be nice if Anchorage had better options though. lizzie

bobsallyh
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Also I noticed she wanted some sort of inspections for RV parks, bet that didn't help her either. RV parks can't have their cake and eat it too.

sljohnson1938
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we plan to go to Alaska this year and was planning on avoiding Anchorage.
I guess now we can visit it. probably will stay in commercial CG if possible, if not then Wal-Mart will do.
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colliehauler
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I don't see a problem with a overnight. Maybe the town could establish time limits, (they do this with other type's of parking). This would allow RV'ers to restock and get a nights sleep along with making room for new arrivals. Campground owners have a right to charge whatever they want. When they try to pass law's to force people into a gouging situation that's wrong.

Sometimes a campground is not an option, campground full or very late arrivals.

MORSNOW
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This was dropped today after the massive outcry from everyone!!!!


Parking Lot Camping Ban Dropped!
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joe_b_
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The big difference that I see in this matter, is those RVers that use pavement parking for a night and are on their way to their destination, Which I would put Gary in that group. Then there is the other groups, one of which is trying to use the parking lot of a store, for a campground, staying multiple nights or weeks. Here in Stuart, we have RVers, that are really mobile homeless people, usually in vans, old RVs, old trailers, etc. They will pull into the local Wal Mart Super Store and set up housekeeping until they are sent on down the road by the Sheriff's department. Big sign up to the effect of no overnight camping but only enforced if a person stays more of a night or two, misuses the store, panhandling the other shoppers, etc.

They must have a circuit that they use for parking for I wll see the same RVs here for a couple of weeks, then gone for a month or two and back again. These folks use the store public restrooms as their personal bathhouses much of the time. A couple of weeks ago, I walked into the men's room and there standing at one of the sinks, was an older unkempt looking man, stark naked taking a bath out of the sink. Had water all over the floor, making a real mess that some store employee was going to have to clean up.

I think a lot of RVers will use public/private parking for a one or two night stop, on their way to their destination, at times at the big box stores, etc. Personally I tend to prefer hospital parking lots fro an overnite stay if I am not at a campground.

Like I said, I will tend to stay at the Hi Country Campground in Whitehorse, when we are there as I know it will be a multi night stay. Then when heading on north, we may just boondock till we get to Fairbanks, sometimes stopping in Tok at a campground for a couple of days. I just don't understand the allure of camping on the pavement for longer periods of time when there are usually beautiful spots to boondock in the same general area. Security? Idea of roughing it, is slow service at Starbucks or Kentucky Fried?

If we don't want or need, the services provided by a FHU campground, we will find a nice boondock spot and at least have the joy of stepping out the RV door onto dirt/grass/gravel and not pavement. LOL Probably one of the things I like about spending a week on the Denali Highway in Alaska. Literally hundreds of places to pull off the road and set up camp, in the wilderness setting. We also enjoy a campfire in the evenings many nights, so the government campgrounds are nice in that most have fire pits. On occasion I have seen pavement campers set up their propane fueled fire pots and set around it like they are out in the wild and woolly country side. LOL

Most RVing is not cheap, no matter how you do it in a motorized vehicle. I have a nephew, that owned a VW camper van for several years and that was about the lowest cost RVing I have seen. He got about 20 mpg, ate and slept in it and would pavement park most nights, occasionally finding a free boondocking spot. As a single guy, it worked for him till he got married, then bye bye VW Vanagon.

On my first driving trip to Alaska from Oklahoma, in 1962, I had a Ford Falcon, a surplus two man tent, a surplus sleeping bag and a tarp. Found if I would buy a large bucket of fried chicken and biscuits, when passing through the larger towns, that would cover my eats for about 3 days. I didn't stay in a private campground till I reached Fairbanks, most of the time just pulled off the road and set up camp. I like the way I camp these days in my truck camper and 5th wheel much better. LOL

When I am old and about to die, and my kids ask me what I did with all the money I made in my lifetime, I can tell them, most of it I spent running back and forth to Alaska, the rest I just wasted. LOL
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garyhaupt
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I'm sorry, but I so dis-agree with the members who feel that parking for free is somehow un-Democratic or whatever. Lots of you shop Wal-Mart..for one very good reason, right? Prices. But you get all holier than thou over paying for cheek by jowl, graveled parking lots called RV Campsites that you pay up to $50.00 a night for. If my math is correct..and it seldom is...even at $30.00 a night, that is one thousand bucks in a month and many Alaska trips are of a 3 or 4 month duration. Three or four thousand bucks...I like the sound of that..in my bank account, not in anothers. I am happy for those of you that can easily put that $ figure out, on top of the rest of your costs. Me? Not a chance.

I am not a Wal-Mart parker tho...for no other reason other than I dislike the crowd.


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D_E_Bishop
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The following is somewhere between "tongue in cheek" and a "rant", my intense dislike of the one party system here is the reason.

Well once again California is leading the way in providing a solution. Sacramento (the legislature)has introduced a bill to effectively negate all local government laws regarding sleeping/living on the streets of California.

This is not a drive by RV park owners or home owners who wish to negate the CCR's of their HOA;s but the belief that there is a "Human Right" to have a home. So anyone who has access to an RV will be able to park it anywhere on any street in California to overnight or to live in their RV.

A small but mostly conservative town on the coast has in place a very active city sponsored program to provide free services to homeless folks. The purpose of taxing the residents to provide these services was to improve the quality of life they moved there for. Free parking, food, housing and sanitation facilities are provided to anyone who needs it for a limited but reasonable period of time. If this proposed law passes, their program for helping the homeless will be prohibited because it is part and parcel of the law prohibiting sleeping in public location.

But it will allow RVers to park 0n the streets of a beach town without regard to time limits or how it impacts the folks paying to house, clothe and feed the homeless.

So when, not if, but when this law passes, those of you who are passing through will be able to park on any city street you want. Of course all STATE owned highways will be exempt.
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joe_b_
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Here was the last posted sign I saw in the Whitehorse Wal Mart. I suspect most nights during the summer time, the WM is the busiest RV overnight spot in Whitehorse. Not too different than the Fred Meyer store in Soldotna, except that Fred Meyer has an employee that sees to it that RVs park in the designated area and have a sewer dump and fresh water fill point. Wal Mart, Whitehorse, may have to go to such a system to get things organized or in time I suspect the town will ban overnight parking as they are talking about doing in Anchorage.



We like to stay at the Hi Country RV Campground, up on the hill, on the highway, but an evening shopping trip down to Wal Mart found this. I was counting the rigs and quit when I got to 50 of them. Some, as Suzie says just move in, awnings and slides out, lawn chairs out, grills going, just like they were camping and they will stay for the duration of the time they are in Whitehorse.



Looked like an Avion caravan was there. LOL Never had seen so many of those old classics in one place before. LOL

joe b.
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