Peace and security in Mexico

[tepetapan]

Most RVers don't have the Spanish skills or time to follow what is really happening but instead depend on rumors posted in English. Sometimes it is people who are biased, supporting their friends or families business or just plain ignorance that causes these types of posts. .Here is a independent evaluation from the other side of the world, plus a color coed map that should be easy to understand.
"According to Mexico Pace Index 2015 issued by The Institute for Economics & Peace, based in Sydney Australia, the state of Veracruz is the seventh entity with higher levels of public safety in Mexico."

http://www.elgolfo.info/nota/311593-ubica-the-institute-for-economics-peace-a-veracruz-como-un-estado-pacifico/

[briansue]

I have friends that work for Los Angeles County Sherriff's department, and I have access to the incarceration rates, by race, in the jails. A very high percentage of them have Hispanic surnames here.

By my observations, it seems to permeate their culture, regardless of which side of the border they are on. I suspect it has to do with Indian blood, Indian culture, and Indian giving being acceptable in their culture, but not in the white man's culture, back in the beaver pelt and fur trading days.

YMMV, you may form your own opinions contrary to mine... but every single car accident that I've been here in Los Angeles, five of them, rear end jobs, has been by an uninsured Hispanic, that did personal damage to my truck, or my trailer, and definitely my lower back, which has never been the same and a constant source of pain since then. So yes, the ones involved with me have been criminal.

That's just the way the statistics have played out here in the San Fernando Valley, in my case... again YMMV.

As a result, I have a distinct opinion formed about them due to the losses I have incurred, as being thieves, and irresponsible. Not all of them, but enough to create, for me, a stereotype such that I trust, but verify, every single time.

It has nothing to do with race, it has to do with tribe. And it all goes back to indian givers, IMHO.

I've hired them for my construction crew, and I've hire day laborers also. Not by choice, but to stay competitive. I've had a lot more problems with hiring them and material losses on the job. I'll leave it at that.

I don't think it matters which side of the border you are on, if they are around, theft can be a bigger problem than without them being around. Just my lifetime observations, with being around the poor ones.

This could well be the new dictionary definition of the word bigot.

[tony_lee]

paulcardoza wrote:
Oh boy..........

exactly, but of course all the right-thinking members reading it would have reported it to the moderator straight away.
Wouldn't they.

[paulcardoza]

Oh boy..........

[NinerBikes]

I have friends that work for Los Angeles County Sherriff's department, and I have access to the incarceration rates, by race, in the jails. A very high percentage of them have Hispanic surnames here.

By my observations, it seems to permeate their culture, regardless of which side of the border they are on. I suspect it has to do with Indian blood, Indian culture, and Indian giving being acceptable in their culture, but not in the white man's culture, back in the beaver pelt and fur trading days.

YMMV, you may form your own opinions contrary to mine... but every single car accident that I've been here in Los Angeles, five of them, rear end jobs, has been by an uninsured Hispanic, that did personal damage to my truck, or my trailer, and definitely my lower back, which has never been the same and a constant source of pain since then. So yes, the ones involved with me have been criminal.

That's just the way the statistics have played out here in the San Fernando Valley, in my case... again YMMV.

As a result, I have a distinct opinion formed about them due to the losses I have incurred, as being thieves, and irresponsible. Not all of them, but enough to create, for me, a stereotype such that I trust, but verify, every single time.

It has nothing to do with race, it has to do with tribe. And it all goes back to indian givers, IMHO.

I've hired them for my construction crew, and I've hire day laborers also. Not by choice, but to stay competitive. I've had a lot more problems with hiring them and material losses on the job. I'll leave it at that.

I don't think it matters which side of the border you are on, if they are around, theft can be a bigger problem than without them being around. Just my lifetime observations, with being around the poor ones.

[tepetapan]

qtla9111 wrote:

tepetapan wrote:
Most RVers don't have the Spanish skills or time to follow what is really happening but instead depend on rumors posted in English. Sometimes it is people who are biased, supporting their friends or families business or just plain ignorance that causes these types of posts. .Here is a independent evaluation from the other side of the world, plus a color coed map that should be easy to understand.
"According to Mexico Pace Index 2015 issued by The Institute for Economics & Peace, based in Sydney Australia, the state of Veracruz is the seventh entity with higher levels of public safety in Mexico."

http://www.elgolfo.info/nota/311593-ubica-the-institute-for-economics-peace-a-veracruz-como-un-estado-pacifico/

Cris: you may, by now, regret having even posted. Nothing much changes here.


Here is a clicky
Ubica The Institute for Economics & Peace a Veracruz como un estado pacífico

I promised myself last year I would keep a low profile on this forum but I can't resist. I agree with the article 100%.

Last fall I posted statistical graphs similar to those in the above link on my blog. Many rvers have a fear of crossing the border thinking it is the most dangerous area and just can't wait to head south. Because they are not familiar with the langauge, travel and stay in small towns, they have little to no access to real world Mexico news.

In the end, it turns out that their fear of border states is unwarranted as many of them stay in the most dangerous areas and don't even know it.

Many people miss out on some of the most beautiful scenery, mountains, lakes and desert because they are in such a hurry to head south.

That's all. 🙂

[tepetapan]

bighatnohorse wrote:
The webpage you link to is in Spanish. Google translate doesn't seem to work even though I have it enabled in Chrome.
Do you have a link to the page in English?

(By the way, that sort of post usually brings out the xenophobes and bigots - so good luck with that!)

You really nailed it. Got any stock tips?

[briansue]

Again I just have to say if we are talking about Mexico why are the same people always trying to throw the U.S. under the bus. One in my opinion cannot compare the two.

In no way should my comments be construed to throw the US under any bus or anything else - nor is it an attempt to make any comparison. You are not paying attention. People refer to one incident in Mexico and say they would never go to Mexico because of this one incident. Meanwhile they feel safe and secure in the US where thousands of the same types of incidents occur on a daily basis. I have no idea how any statistics about Mexico might compare to the US because I have no idea what the statistics in Mexico are about some things. It just seems to me that some people make comments about Mexico as though they have no idea that these things happen in the US too. Statistics in the US say there is a murder about every 36 minutes. I have no idea how many happen in Mexico so I cannot compare. I have traveled in Mexico since 1971 and never experienced crime of any kind - nor have I experienced any crime in the US - neither personal statistic would lead me to believe that crime does not exist. If I knew how many carjackings or school shootings happen in Mexico each year then I could make some comparison - but I do not know so I cannot compare. But I still do not ASSUME that crime does not happen. I know that I could experience carjacking at anytime and anywhere. I post comments about this to make those who seem not to be aware that it can happen to them at anytime and anywhere. Are the odds of bad things happening in Mexico higher than the odds in the US? I have no idea. There is no way I know of to compare the two. It is not my intent to compare but to make the seemingly unaware just a little more aware.

[qtla9111]

iguana07 wrote:

Again I just have to say if we are talking about Mexico why are the same people always trying to throw the U.S. under the bus. One in my opinion cannot compare the two.

Mexico is constantly thrown under the bus. Tit for tat?

[Pangaea_Ron]

MW

If it's so traumatic for you, I don't understand why you still live there? You must be able to accommodate the crime that is apparently a corrosive part of your world?

[MEXICOWANDERER]

"I'VE BEEN ROBBED! I'VE BEEN ROBBED!"

"Shhhh! You'll bring the police!"


More and more property crimes are being performed by cristaleros and toxicodos. Junkies. Even here in this ultra out of the way Pacific coast pueblito with virtually no tourism or year round gringos.

Crime resolution is like 2%. Why call the preventivas when it will waste hours of time and chances are they know who did it and their first priority is to get to the ladron and get their cut.

[Pangaea_Ron]

I had tan crocs stolen from outside my front door in Mexico (I loved them, they were dust colored) - Not reported.

Our house sitter in Anacortes had laundry stolen while using the laundromat - Not reported.
Our house sitter also had items stolen while moving back into her apartment - Not reported.

07: Like you I don't trust anyone's statistics.

[iguana07]

I want to add that so much crime in Mexico is not reported! For many reasons, hard to get truthful statistics when the data is skewed. There was a lot more that has happened in Baja that you probably have not heard about.
Again I just have to say if we are talking about Mexico why are the same people always trying to throw the U.S. under the bus. One in my opinion cannot compare the two.

[Pangaea_Ron]

moisheh wrote:
Ron: Your link goes to some VIVA MEXICO propaganda. Nothing to do with Tom Friedman????

Moisheh

Actually if you have followed Tom Friedman over the years, his optimism for Mexico's future is a common thread. Propaganda, perhaps, but a vision of the country that probably needs to be promoted more with all of the hysteria about crime in Mexico.

We have traveled in rural Mexico for more than 35 years, and for the last 15 years have spent 3-4 weeks per year in a small fishing village in Jalisco. There are no banks, ATM's, resorts, police presence or crime. Sure there is a bit of petty property crime, but that is handled within the community itself. The police are not called (or available), but a father, uncle, friend or neighbor will help resolve the issue.

I've participated in community meetings trying to establish a 24/7 police presence, and money was committed to create an office and provide sleeping quarters for them. A regional police chief spoke to us. Unfortunately he brought 5 officers that stood behind him at parade rest, dressed in tactical gear and mirrored sunglasses in a dimly lit room. The community lost interest in continuing seriously with the effort.

Most local police forces are able to provide "security" but have very limited "investigative" capabilities. State police can provide "investigative" capabilities, but that usually involves a large contingent that needs meals and lodging within the community, utilizes less than friendly tactics, and follows any and all information which may affect crime in the community. Most communities do not want that scrutiny. Lack of regional and jurisdictional cooperation is legendary. I've had to hire a private professional to investigate the kidnapping, rape, and murder of a Mexican friend in an adjacent Mexican State. He was successful in 1-1/2 days after the local authorities struggled for more than 2 years.

Is there crime in Mexico. Yes
Does it prevent me from coming to Mexico. No.

Viva Mexico

[briansue]

Moisheh,

Of course I am well aware of all of that. One car gets jacked in MX and no one will go. They have no clue about how many in US. None of it matters of course. Perception. People seem to enjoy living in fear. Perhaps that is why horror movies are so popular. You can be terrified without leaving your seat. Massacres in the US - kids killed in elementary school in CT - do not count. One incident in MX is cause not to go. US is safer? Maybe so. Sure MX has many problems but how many of them involve tourists or RVers? Bad things happen everywhere and statistics have nothing to do with it. Exactly. What statistics could predict a massacre in an elementary school?