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What was Winne/Itasca thinking, lousy C/B ant mt.

FIRE_UP
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Gents,

The use of C/B radios is not all that important to many of you. But, there are quite a few that still use them from time to time, for various reasons. I'm one of them. Our coach, an '04 Itasca Horizon, 36GD with the C-7 330HP CAT, came with a factory mounted C/B antenna. The coach was/is plumbed for the total wiring package for any C/B radio of your choice.

But, I don't know WHO, IN THEIR RIGHT MIND, designed the C/B antenna mount for that era Winne and Itasca. Without a doubt, it is the dumbest design and installation practice I've ever seen. To those of you that know it, you know what I'm talking about. To those that don't, It's simply ultra poor quality, based on Winnes and Itascas reputation for quality coaches, components and ideas.

Basically, I don't even know how it's mounted. You see, I can't really tell. When you look at the pictures below, you don't see any outside component for securing the antenna base, NOTHING!! And, based on its position which, is basically directly over the drivers head, in the roof, is nothing short of impossible to get and service, repair, alter and more.

So, when you try and install anything other than the factory antenna which, may or may not be there, depending on how the coach was optioned out or, it may have been there but, disappeared in the wind, on some trip someplace and the owner(s) never knew when it happened.

Anyway, enough blabbing about how bad it was designed. I decided to "enhance" it's mount, from the outside of the coach, so I could securely mount my short, 24" Firestick antenna, with a flex spring. I won't go into all the details but, suffice to say, it, (the original mounting) is 10 times stronger and more stabile, than the factory one ever was. Take a look and see what you think.

Scott








Scott and Karla
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down_home
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We still find our CBs useuful around large cities and whenever we suspect an area is usually a trouble spot.
Bad language and off it goes.

Gjac
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Scott nice work, I still use mine also especially when I see traffic starting to build. Truck drivers usually know the roads and alternate ways to get around the tie ups. I also use Wazes but Wazes does not account for driving a large class A when they give you an alternate route. When I went to Alaska in 2006 with a friend we found it helpful especially when we had no cell service which was quite often.

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I surely appreciate the nice comments on my support/mount for the C/B antenna on our '04 Itasca. Whether or not any one "still" uses a C/B or not or, it's stored in the attic or basement or is a paper weight is not really relevant here. Those of us that still use them, however slightly, still need and want it to work, if and when we need it. There may be a few newer alternatives to them but, they're cheap and still work.

The fact is that my antenna mount was junk. I've observed other Itascas of the same era and, it appears that many are still solid and, are working fine. Who knows what the bone heads had the coach before us did. Maybe the factory C/B antenna fell off in travel and, that loosened the mount which, made things worse. In any case, based on what I had to work with, the style of support for it was the best I could come up with. The radio works 'cause we're presently on a trip here in AZ and, traveling with friends and, we've talked back and forth several times on the freeway.

I've used HAM radios which, are seriously better then C/Bs but, trying to get all fellow travelers that we do things with to get a license and even a small, hand held HAM radio is pretty tough. Anyway, again, thanks for the nice comments on my mount/support.
Scott
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SoCalDesertRid1
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The modification looks great ๐Ÿ™‚

Those no-ground antennas suck. I've tried them.
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carl2591
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a lot of the airstream, WBCCI, caravans are like that. they monitor channel 14 most of the time. makes it quicker to contact folks if there is a problem and to provide info on parking when entering locations.

nowadays with google maps with traffice on, or WAZE knowing how traffice looks is easy enough.

most talking i hear was guys traveling together or someone looking for something.

not like in the 80's when everyone had a CB and talked.. it was like a cell phone with friends and others.. the language can be crude but that is mainly dimwit truck drivers with no life or they don't care that maybe kids are listening in the car as well..

no need to try and let them know they just ramp it up.. I don't acknowledge their existence.
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RVJimofOregon
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We use our CB when we caravan in a group. I know you can use a cell phone but if I see a road hazard I grab the CB and pass it on to the rigs behind me. I have put together a few caravan and it is a must if you want to join. ALso it is nice to talk like a party line. I don't listen to the truck channels unless I need info about road conditions, etc..
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Gdetrailer
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mrkoje wrote:
Looks good and no doubt a lot stronger. I would recommend to get some dicor lap sealant though and put a nice layer around the base if you haven't already.

If you don't mind me asking - what exactly do you use your CB for now?


My CB is a door stop, pretty much the best use I have found for it :B

Tried to sell it at a Hamfest for $10, a pretty nice Realistic 40 channel loaded with all the latest controls for those times that was $120 back in the late 1980s, now not worth a penny..

Last vehicle I had it in I turned it on a few times but was greeted with too much profanity.. Just not worth the hassle moving from vehicle to vehicle.

OPs mount is definitely stronger but one must take into consideration that the factory merely threw the CB ready thing as a potential selling point.. One should realize that a RV manufacturer truly knows nothing about RF, antenna placement or QUALITY..

tmartin000
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I honestly didn't know people still used those things. :B

Technology seems to be leaving all that stuff from the 70's and 80's behind.

Nice work though.
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TNGW1500SE
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Granted the roof is the best place for the antenna (if you want max range) but if range is really not that important, I'd mount it to the side or bumper. Trees are going to have a ball with a roof mounted antenna of any length. Also since the roof is fiberglass, there's the problem with the "missing" ground plane. Boats have the same fiberglass issue. If you get a CB antenna for a boat, they're designed to compensate for the lack of a ground plane, such as being mounted to a metal flat roof. The vehicle is part of the antenna. If installed in a car with a metal roof, placing the antenna above the drivers seat will direct most of the transmit power toward the passenger side rear of the vehicle. You may know all this stuff but others don't so I thought I'd post it. I may add one soon if only to use it for the PA function. On the interstate I use a app called WAZE. Channel 19 got a lot quieter than it was in the 70's.

mrkoje
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FIRE UP wrote:
mrkoje wrote:
Looks good and no doubt a lot stronger. I would recommend to get some dicor lap sealant though and put a nice layer around the base if you haven't already.

If you don't mind me asking - what exactly do you use your CB for now?


mrkoje,
I appreciate the nice comment. On the Dicor lap sealant thing, yep, I've used it in the past and, it's pretty good stuff. There's quite a few on here and other RV forums that are not fans of Silicone for sealing anything on roofs. Well, I guess that's ok but, this rig is now 12 years old and, there's items up on that roof that were installed close to the day that coach was born and, they were sealed and caulked with Silicone. And, that Silicone is still as nice as when it was applied that long ago.

When I began the process of installing that antenna mount, I put a bead around the original fitting that was protruding out of the roof. Then I put a dab on each drilled hole. Then I put a bead all the way around the perimeter of the main plate. Then I put small bead around the inside of the welded collar, right at where the collar was welded to the plate.

Then I placed the plate down on the fiberglass. Then, another small dab was placed in each hole prior to the screws being inserted. And finally, as you can see, there were two more beads placed. One was around the base of the collar on the outside and then right at the entrance of the spring loaded part of the antenna, into the collar.

So, at this point, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say, it's sealed. Only time will tell.
Scott


Sounds like its sealed!!
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FIRE_UP
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mrkoje wrote:
Looks good and no doubt a lot stronger. I would recommend to get some dicor lap sealant though and put a nice layer around the base if you haven't already.

If you don't mind me asking - what exactly do you use your CB for now?


mrkoje,
I appreciate the nice comment. On the Dicor lap sealant thing, yep, I've used it in the past and, it's pretty good stuff. There's quite a few on here and other RV forums that are not fans of Silicone for sealing anything on roofs. Well, I guess that's ok but, this rig is now 12 years old and, there's items up on that roof that were installed close to the day that coach was born and, they were sealed and caulked with Silicone. And, that Silicone is still as nice as when it was applied that long ago.

When I began the process of installing that antenna mount, I put a bead around the original fitting that was protruding out of the roof. Then I put a dab on each drilled hole. Then I put a bead all the way around the perimeter of the main plate. Then I put small bead around the inside of the welded collar, right at where the collar was welded to the plate.

Then I placed the plate down on the fiberglass. Then, another small dab was placed in each hole prior to the screws being inserted. And finally, as you can see, there were two more beads placed. One was around the base of the collar on the outside and then right at the entrance of the spring loaded part of the antenna, into the collar.

So, at this point, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say, it's sealed. Only time will tell.
Scott
Scott and Karla
SDFD RETIRED
2004 Itasca Horizon, 36GD Slate Blue 330 CAT
2011 GMC Sierra 1500 Ext Cab 4x4 Toad
2008 Caliente Red LVL II GL 1800 Goldwing
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RollandB
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Nice fix and a definite improvement. Gives me an idea for a radio antenna mount when I get red of the Omni directional tv antenna that came on our rig which doubles as a radio antenna
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mrkoje
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Looks good and no doubt a lot stronger. I would recommend to get some dicor lap sealant though and put a nice layer around the base if you haven't already.

If you don't mind me asking - what exactly do you use your CB for now?
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