Another "am I overloaded" thread

[tim1970]

Wife and I found a 5er we really like. Keystone Hideout 315RDTS. I would like to hear some real world examples from people who tow something similar to this with the same type of TV as mine. Any issues towing, did you do any upgrades such as air bags? This would probably put me a little over on Tow vehicle GVWR, but under on GCWR and axle ratings.

RV specs:
empty weight - 9450
GVWR - 11855
empty pin weight - 1695

Tow vehicle - 2016 Ford f250 crew cab 4X4 diesel, short bed
GVWR - 10,000
Front GAWR - 5200
Rear GAWR - 6100
Tire weight rating - 3750 each
Truck empty weight - ???? I have heard anywhere from 6800 - 8000 lbs but I have not had a chance to stop at any scales yet.

[rhagfo]

Me Again wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:

His 2016 250 has a 'curb' weight of ~6828#
My 2007 3500 has a 'curb' weight of ~6610#
218# difference is NOT a lot heavier.

I have a hard time believing that a 2016 F250 4X4 is 1,000 lbs lighter that my 2015 3500 Ram 4x4. Ford's site notes Base Unit weight. I unless you have a 2x4 gasser your 2007 3500 would be heavier than 6610.

LOL!!!

If his F250 only has a 9,000# GVWR, the OP will for sure be about 1,000# to 1,200# over the TV GVWR, but likely still have about 500# to 600# to spare on the 6,100# rear axle.

My 2001 has a GVWR of 8,800#, and I carry/Tow a slightly larger 5er, scale weight of the TV is usually right at 10,000# +/- about 200#. The TV is a Loaded Laramie STS, and with the stuff I carry in the tool box comes in at about 7,800# scaled without the 5er.

Mine is a Camper Package, so no need for Bags to carry it level.

[Me_Again]

Old-Biscuit wrote:

His 2016 250 has a 'curb' weight of ~6828#
My 2007 3500 has a 'curb' weight of ~6610#
218# difference is NOT a lot heavier.

I have a hard time believing that a 2016 F250 4X4 is 1,000 lbs lighter that my 2015 3500 Ram 4x4. Ford's site notes Base Unit weight. I unless you have a 2x4 gasser your 2007 3500 would be heavier than 6610.

[Old-Biscuit]

CampingN.C. wrote:

IdaD wrote:
Not even close to a problem with that combo. If you're worried put bags or timbrens on the truck and you're good up to a SRW F350's ratings in all aspects. GVWR is class limited so means little in this scenario.

Surprised the weight police haven't jumped on you for that comment yet.

There's a thread over on the Jayco forum where guys are telling a newbie that his 32 BHDS (my camper) will be a questionable load for a Ram 2500 (my truck). I got raked over the coals for telling him he'd be fine.

I place 'myself' in the weight police group....
HOW would a 10K GVWR trailer be 'questionable' for a 2015 2500 truck (RAM, Ford, GMC etc)
That is not even close to being a weight police issue :B

Me Again wrote:

His truck is most likely a lot heavier than yours, which eats into GVWR.

His 2016 250 has a 'curb' weight of ~6828#
My 2007 3500 has a 'curb' weight of ~6610#
218# difference is NOT a lot heavier.

11855# GVWR 5th wheel is NOT going to be n issue for the OPs 2016 F250

[IdaD]

CampingN.C. wrote:

IdaD wrote:
Not even close to a problem with that combo. If you're worried put bags or timbrens on the truck and you're good up to a SRW F350's ratings in all aspects. GVWR is class limited so means little in this scenario.

Surprised the weight police haven't jumped on you for that comment yet.

There's a thread over on the Jayco forum where guys are telling a newbie that his 32 BHDS (my camper) will be a questionable load for a Ram 2500 (my truck). I got raked over the coals for telling him he'd be fine.

Some folks are unwilling or unable to understand the reason behind some of the ratings on these trucks. Don't sweat it - there's a big difference between the RV.net reality and, well, reality. For all practical purposes the three popular full size trucks people buy in this country are half tons, SRW HDs and DRW HDs. There are midsize trucks below and MDT/HDTs above, but most trucks sold fall into the three aforementioned categories.

[CampingN_C_]

IdaD wrote:
Not even close to a problem with that combo. If you're worried put bags or timbrens on the truck and you're good up to a SRW F350's ratings in all aspects. GVWR is class limited so means little in this scenario.

Surprised the weight police haven't jumped on you for that comment yet.

There's a thread over on the Jayco forum where guys are telling a newbie that his 32 BHDS (my camper) will be a questionable load for a Ram 2500 (my truck). I got raked over the coals for telling him he'd be fine.

[IdaD]

Not even close to a problem with that combo. If you're worried put bags or timbrens on the truck and you're good up to a SRW F350's ratings in all aspects. GVWR is class limited so means little in this scenario.

[Lurker1]

Yup, me too.

Don't exceed axle and tire ratings. Don't exceed your CGWR. With airbags, I'm not sweating my GVWR.

[CampingN_C_]

That 5er is not a heck of a lot more that my TT. You'll be Ok. I'm looking a 5er MUCH larger than that to tow with my 2500.

[MFL]

Your 16 250 will handle that FW easily. Yes, fully loaded, ready to camp, you may be some over GVWR, due to the heavy diesel over your front axle. You will have room for pin wt/hitch wt, on the rear axle. You have 350 tires/wheels on your 250. You likely won't even need air bags to level truck, to carry 2K lbs of pin wt. Most all FW pin wt is carried by the rear axle. Your front axle should only see 100 lbs, or less, from adding pin wt/hitch wt.

My 250, with HD service suspension, does not have a noticeable squat when I'm hooked up, ready to travel.

Jerry

[Me_Again]

Old-Biscuit wrote:
Your 2016 F250 has ratings similar to my 2007 3500 SRW

I tow 14K 5th wheel....am over GVWR few hundred lbs, right at RAWR/Rear tire Max Load Ratings


That trailer's GVWR is 2000# LESS then actual scaled weight of my 5vr

You will be just fine......
Might be close to RAWR but OK

His truck is most likely a lot heavier than yours, which eats into GVWR.

[Old-Biscuit]

JIMNLIN wrote:
I tow a 11200 lb 5th wheel trailer with a 2500 Dodge/Cummins. I'm 200-300 lbs over GVWR but the trucks 6000 rawr comes in at 5200-5400 lbs depending on how much we load the rig.
I added super springs to the rear of this truck as it has no upper overload spring pack. Don't add anything till you load the rig and make a short trip. Then is the time to decide if bags are needed.

The truck won't have any issues towing that size trailer.

For OPs info........Your trucks GVWR is 9000#

[JIMNLIN]

I tow a 11200 lb 5th wheel trailer with a 2500 Dodge/Cummins. I'm 200-300 lbs over GVWR but the trucks 6000 rawr comes in at 5200-5400 lbs depending on how much we load the rig.
I added super springs to the rear of this truck as it has no upper overload spring pack. Don't add anything till you load the rig and make a short trip. Then is the time to decide if bags are needed.

The truck won't have any issues towing that size trailer.

[Old-Biscuit]

Your 2016 F250 has ratings similar to my 2007 3500 SRW

I tow 14K 5th wheel....am over GVWR few hundred lbs, right at RAWR/Rear tire Max Load Ratings


That trailer's GVWR is 2000# LESS then actual scaled weight of my 5vr

You will be just fine......
Might be close to RAWR but OK

[Me_Again]

Other than being over the TV 10K GVWR by around 1,000, you should be fine. With a hitch and a few other things your truck will be over 8500 lbs ready to tow. Our SRW RAM 3500 is in the 8700-8900 range ready to tow with a manual slider. You will be close to the 6100 RGAWR.

[SanMarMor]

I would guess with that new of a truck, you will be OK. Weigh you truck, and check the weight sticked on the door.

Mark