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need rough guideline for what size TV for a fifth wheel

dnhx
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Hi
We are considering a new fifth wheel and truck. We only have a small TT and SUV now. I am wondering if there is a rough estimate as to when you will need a 1 ton or 3/4 ton truck. For example, a 5th wheel with dry weight of 10,000 lbs and hitch weight of 2200. I know the loaded weight is going to be more that that depending on what we take (we pack pretty light, and do not usually travel with water in the tanks) Best I can tell, this is going to be too much for F250 (my wife likes fords). So my question is at about what dry hitch weight range will the F350 be needed? Would it be fair to say over 2000 lbs, or maybe even less?

TT are a little easier, max tongue weight on f150 is 1200 lbs, so any TT with a dry hitch weight under 900 should be no problem.

Thank you

Don
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otrfun
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Don't believe the Ford and Chevy 3/4-tons have it, but the 3/4-ton Ram does have the smoother riding rear coil suspension. A smoother ride, for some, may be more of a priority than payload. We put a higher priority on payload and purchased a 1-ton Ram SRW.

For the most part our 1-ton Ram SRW rides pretty smooth. However, occasionally we have crossed a bumpy RR track where the jerking got so bad it felt like we were undergoing in-cab shock treatment---a bumpy reminder that we chose payload over a smoother ride 🙂

rhagfo
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Njmurvin wrote:
agesilaus wrote:
If you are buying a new TV then get a one ton. The price difference between 3/4 and 1 ton a miniscule when compared to the price of the truck. It was a couple hundred dollars when I bought my truck. Both trucks handle the same and look the same.


x2 ... this is exactly what I did when I ordered mine. Had I not done so, I couldn't pull the trailer I own now. Don't even think twice about it. Get the 350.


X3

I bought used and the best TV found condition wise was a 2001 a Ram 2500 with 234,000 miles! That was just over six years ago and it goes and carries our 12,360# GVWR 5er just fine (currently at about 11,200#) I would tow it up to the 5ers GVRW, if buying new I would be buying a 3500 and likely a DRW.
Russ & Paula the Beagle Belle.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 Aisin DRW 4X4 Long bed.
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS, 32' GVWR 12,360#

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Njmurvin
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agesilaus wrote:
If you are buying a new TV then get a one ton. The price difference between 3/4 and 1 ton a miniscule when compared to the price of the truck. It was a couple hundred dollars when I bought my truck. Both trucks handle the same and look the same.


x2 ... this is exactly what I did when I ordered mine. Had I not done so, I couldn't pull the trailer I own now. Don't even think twice about it. Get the 350.
2020 Chevy Silverado 3500HD Duramax 4x4 Crew Cab Standard box

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laknox
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dnhx wrote:
Hi
We are considering a new fifth wheel and truck. We only have a small TT and SUV now. I am wondering if there is a rough estimate as to when you will need a 1 ton or 3/4 ton truck. For example, a 5th wheel with dry weight of 10,000 lbs and hitch weight of 2200. I know the loaded weight is going to be more that that depending on what we take (we pack pretty light, and do not usually travel with water in the tanks) Best I can tell, this is going to be too much for F250 (my wife likes fords). So my question is at about what dry hitch weight range will the F350 be needed? Would it be fair to say over 2000 lbs, or maybe even less?

TT are a little easier, max tongue weight on f150 is 1200 lbs, so any TT with a dry hitch weight under 900 should be no problem.

Thank you

Don


Without reading ahead...

Almost any 10k dry wt FW is going to need a 350, SRW at minimum, dually if much larger or heavy on the pin. That being said, there are some nice lighter weight FWs out there that are easily towable with a 250. I'm thinking along the lines of Jayco's Eagle HT or KZ's Durango 1500 lines. Not the only ones, but I'm familiar with both, as they are on my short list for my next FW.

The rule of thumb for someone jumping in from the get-go, is find the floorplan you like, then buy a =proper= truck to match it. If the needed truck is more than what you want, or can afford, then scale back on the FW; that's all you can do.

I wish I had known this before I got my truck and FW. I would have gone for a SRW 3500, for sure. Be a whole lot more comfortable towing my FW.

Lyle
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johndeerefarmer
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otrfun wrote:
Another thing the OP should keep in mind: Depending on your state of residence, you may have to deal with additional licensing and registration requirements for larger rigs. In a number of states, if the GCWR (truck GVWR plus 5r GVWR) exceeds 26,000 lbs., then special licensing is required. Other states like CA have different guidelines. Best to check beforehand.

For some folks, the licensing hassles are enough for them to pass on a 1-ton SRW or DRW. As a plan B they end up going with a 3/4-ton truck with a 10k GVWR and a 5r with a GCWR less than 16,000. If you happen to reside in a state where you can drive any RV, regardless of the GVWR/GCWR with a standard Class D operator's license, then, of course, not an issue.

Just something to consider . . .

What I did was to buy a 2017 F350 (NOT F250) with the 10k lb GVWR. I now have the full capability of a 1 ton but cheaper licensing and less regulations.
2020 Ford 350 6.7 PSD & 2017 F150 3.5 EB max tow
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dnhx
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wow. Thank you everyone. After researching the 1 ton vs 3/4 ton I seenot much difference price wise or size. Unless we somehow find a lighter 5 th wheel that my wife likes - I think the 1 ton is best choice. We aren't looking for something big, just heavy. It will be 34' or less.

don
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Rangerman40
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After going from a 3/4 ton to a DRW 1 ton I'll never go back no matter the weight. The stability difference is insane.

CWSWine
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Safety is critical when towing an RV Trailer. This training video discusses the importance of understanding a Truck's ratings and how these ratings limit the size of the trailer that can be safely towed. You will be provided the tools and basic understanding needed to assist your endeavor to properly match a truck and trailer, so that you can enjoy RVing safely.


Matching your RV to your Truck

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2017 Discovery XLE 40 D DP
Sold Grand Design Solitude 310GK-R
Sold 2016 GMC Denali 1 ton Diesel 3722 CC
5er 13,600 - 3100 pin - Truck Weight 11380 Truck GVWR 11,500
Only 180 lbs below my trucks MAX GVWR

CWSWine
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This is not rocket science and its just simple 5th grade math. It just comes down to a numbers game and if you believe that staying within the manufacture GVWR/GAWR specs and keeping you and your family safe or not.

Most trucks run out of payload long before they run out towing capacity. The numbers below are from tow planner with only a 175 pound driver and 250 pound hitch and nothing else in the truck. If you added a passengers, wood, cooler and etc you must also subtract those weights. Remember not to use the dry weight but ready to camp weight when figuring the weight of your 5er.

The numbers below came from Tow Planner Tow Planner

Payload of 1500 lbs
You're adding approximately 425 lbs. to the truck. You have 1,075 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 4,300 - 5,375 lbs.

Payload of 2000lbs
You're adding approximately 425 lbs. to the truck. You have 1,575 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 6,300 - 7,875 lbs.

**** Most 1/2 Tons fall around 2000 or less

Payload of 2500lbs
You're adding approximately 425 lbs. to the truck. You have 2,075 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 8,300 - 10,375 lbs.

**** Most 3/4 Ton Diesels and 1/2 ton HD Payloads around 2500

Payload of 3000lbs
You're adding approximately 425 lbs. to the truck. You have 2,575 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 10,300 - 12,875 lbs.

**** 3/4 Gas around 3000 lbs

Payload of 3500lbs
You're adding approximately 425 lbs. to the truck. You have 3,075 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 12,300 - 15,375 lbs.

****Most 1 ton SRW Diesels around 3500 lbs

Payload of 4000lbs
You're adding approximately 425 lbs. to the truck. You have 3,575 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 14,300 - 17,875 lbs.

*** Most 1 ton Gas around 4000 lbs but now you run in to max tow limits.

Payload of 4500lbs
You're adding approximately 425 lbs. to the truck. You have 4,075 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 16,300 - 20,375 lbs.

**** 4500 lbs Start of DRW 1 ton trucks over 4500 lbs.

Payload of 5000lbs
You're adding approximately 425 lbs. to the truck. You have 4,575 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 18,300 - 22,875 lbs.

Payload of 6000 lbs
You're adding approximately 425 lbs. to the truck. You have 5,575 lbs. of payload capacity. Fifth wheels typically have 20% - 25% pin weight which gives you a maximum loaded camper weight of 22,300 - 27,875 lbs.
2017 Discovery XLE 40 D DP
Sold Grand Design Solitude 310GK-R
Sold 2016 GMC Denali 1 ton Diesel 3722 CC
5er 13,600 - 3100 pin - Truck Weight 11380 Truck GVWR 11,500
Only 180 lbs below my trucks MAX GVWR

thomas201
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I support otrfun again. We just made the opposite decision. Our 5er is a rear kitchen, and by 80# (yep 80 pounds) is half ton towable. The experience stank. We traded for a F250 diesel, club cab, short bed. Just a different decision.

Tows like a dream. The nose is cut on the 5er for a short bed, it handles well. Drop the camper and I can use my ezpass, the hammer lanes and the parkways where the in-laws call home (NJ). I can even by golly park on the street. It will fit most fast food joints drive up windows, and in most parking garages.

This is also the size truck I drove in the oilfields, I know where I can put it in the mud, rocks and snow, and possibly make it back without walking.

This works for us. We will buy the camper to fit the truck (once again it would legally by the sticker fit a half ton). Since I take it on country drives when we reach our destinations, it will be a 25 short bed. Not as good as my 48 CJ2A, but not too bad either.

So bigger is not always better. What do you need for your living space? How important is playing in the mud? Need to use the truck in town? How many people in the truck? What makes you feel good? Take it all into account, and then be prepared to make a mistake. If you exit the mistake quickly on the truck, you may not pay too much money.

Any chance you can borrow someone's rig and give it a try? With them along? Some would enjoy a short trip with friends sharing the driving.

otrfun
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IdaD wrote:
looper wrote:
I'm not an expert nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I have been researching the heck out of this subject trying to get us in a 5er with our 3/4 ton diesel Ford. (http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/29114791.cfm) All I can say is, if you are going to buy a truck to tow with, get the 1 ton. If I had a 350 instead of a 250 all my issues would be of no concern.
They may already be of no concern. Some F250s are identical to the F350. Those that aren't only lack an overload spring, which can be added or supplanted with bags/timbrens. I'd also verify that tire ratings aren't an issue. Do some research and I think you'll be surprised how underrated your truck is on paper.
The 3/4-ton Ram diesel (with 18-20 in. wheels) has an RAWR of 6,500 lbs., the 1-ton SRW diesel, 7,000 lbs. Both truck have the same FAWR of 6,000 lbs. Based on these RAWR's one could reasonably assume the Ram 3/4-ton diesel truck has only ~500 lbs. less payload than the 1-ton diesel (when both trucks are optioned/trimmed the same). Not familiar with the Ford and Chevy RAWR's, but I would assume somthing similar would also apply.

As for Looper's comment, I agree. After a ton of research earlier this year we came to the same conclusion. For less a $1000 difference in price, to get the extra payload (both realworld and legally on paper), the 1-ton truck was, for us, the way to go. Of course, if you live in a state where registering/licensing a 1-ton pushes you over a certain GCWR threshold (when hitched to a larger 5r), then the 1-ton may not be the best overall option.

IdaD
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looper wrote:
I'm not an expert nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I have been researching the heck out of this subject trying to get us in a 5er with our 3/4 ton diesel Ford. (http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/29114791.cfm) All I can say is, if you are going to buy a truck to tow with, get the 1 ton. If I had a 350 instead of a 250 all my issues would be of no concern.


They may already be of no concern. Some F250s are identical to the F350. Those that aren't only lack an overload spring, which can be added or supplanted with bags/timbrens. I'd also verify that tire ratings aren't an issue. Do some research and I think you'll be surprised how underrated your truck is on paper.
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looper
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I'm not an expert nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I have been researching the heck out of this subject trying to get us in a 5er with our 3/4 ton diesel Ford. (http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/29114791.cfm) All I can say is, if you are going to buy a truck to tow with, get the 1 ton. If I had a 350 instead of a 250 all my issues would be of no concern.

otrfun
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thomas201 wrote:
I will add to OTRFUN, where do you live? Neighborhood roads and parking 8k or less? When you drop the trailer do you want to run on parkways or the hammer lane in the Northeast? Do you need get a commercial ezpass in your home state for the 35 trucks? If you say yes to these questions then the 25 or 35 truck matters . . .
Yes, these types of restrictions may be an issue that may need to be considered for some areas. I believe some would be surprised just how many states actually have special licensing requirements for larger RV's in order to drive anywhere in that state.

Here's a link that lists all the RV licensing requirements for all 50 states.