Scale weights

[avvidclif1]

On the way out for a weekend of camping we stopped by the scales with our new trailer (Aug, 2013). First time I've had a chance.

Truck and Trailer in signature

Pleasantly surprised.
Front Axle 4800 Rated 5000
Rear Axle 5900 Rated 6800
GVW 10,700 Rated 11,300 IIRC
Trailer axles 8600 (2x5200 axles w/ LR E ST tires)
GCVW 19,300 Rated 23,500

Trailer was loaded including full water tank. All numbers within comfortable range.

[Terryallan]

K Charles wrote:
It seems that some people give answers without reading the question.

YUP. For a minute there . I thought the comish, and I were reading two different set of numbers.

[K_Charles]

It seems that some people give answers without reading the question.

[rhagfo]

ependydad wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:
Fred,
You have made a reading/comprehension mistake.

His total loaded weight is 10,700# and he thinks his GVWR is 11,800

That is how I read it as well.

Well, he did go and get the sticker weights, lost 300# 11,300# down to 11,000#, but still within specs.

I think the Commissioner owes someone an apology!

[ependydad]

Old-Biscuit wrote:
Fred,
You have made a reading/comprehension mistake.

His total loaded weight is 10,700# and he thinks his GVWR is 11,800

That is how I read it as well.

[avvidclif1]

rhagfo wrote:

Golden_HVAC wrote:
Ummm Not exactly within the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, but pretty close to being overloaded a little bit.

The GVWR should be about 11,500 pounds on a SRW 2009 F-350 crewcab. I don't think it is as high as your loaded weight of 11,800 pounds.

Check the drivers door sticker again. I think that the axle weight ratings are what the factory says, however the GVWR should be around 11,000 to 11,500 pounds. Since 2005, the Fords have different GVWR depending on the option package. So a Diesel engine typically will have a 400 pound higher GVWR than a gas engine truck. 400 pounds more for a 4 wheel drive than a 2WD, and crewcab has a maximum package, while the regular cab is much less weight rating.

Many think they can take the front and rear axle weight ratings, and as long as they are a couple hundred pounds below that figure they are safe. Actually the GVWR is more to do with the braking ability, transmission capacity, radiator capacity, and other tings. Including loading a pre-production truck on the test tracks of Michigan and Arizona. Once they load a truck to the maximum rating (that would be the GVWR - not the total of the axle ratings) they run around the test track, off the roadbed at 35 MPH and into the mud alongside the roadway, then back onto the roadway, start and stop the truck from 55 MPH several times for a hour to test and see if the brakes will overheat, or if the radiator will overheat.

Good luck,

Fred.

PS: IS it safe? Sure. Legal? Not likely, however you will only be in trouble if you are in a collision and they check the weight. It only becomes a huge problem if your insurance company asks to excuse itself, due to your being overweight.

Many lesser rated trucks carry as much weight. There will be a few who say they tow as much with a 2004 and earlier F-250 or F-350 with a 8800 to 9,900 GVWR respectively. And the older ones only had tires rated at 3,042 pounds each. Yours have at least 3,400 pounds per tire rating. So they upgrade their F-250 with 19.5" rims, tires, air bags, and forget about upgrading the brakes or transmission.

Fred.

Wow, I think we have found the Commissioner of the Weight Police!!!

I agree with that. And dyslexic as well.

Since it's not pouring down rain I checked the STICKER on the TRUCK.

GVWR 11,000 18" tires 156" WB
FAWR 5,000
RAWR 6,693

My numbers:
GVW 10,700
FAW 4,800
RAW 5,900

I apologize to the group as this should have been in the Your Truck Weight thread. I hit the wrong key. I also asked the moderator to move it.

Have a nice day.

[iawoody2]

The drivetrain of a 250-350 is identical, as are the brakes, the difference is in the suspension.

[JIMNLIN]

Good weight numbers and as usual the weight police types are over the top.

[rhagfo]

Golden_HVAC wrote:
Ummm Not exactly within the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, but pretty close to being overloaded a little bit.

The GVWR should be about 11,500 pounds on a SRW 2009 F-350 crewcab. I don't think it is as high as your loaded weight of 11,800 pounds.

Check the drivers door sticker again. I think that the axle weight ratings are what the factory says, however the GVWR should be around 11,000 to 11,500 pounds. Since 2005, the Fords have different GVWR depending on the option package. So a Diesel engine typically will have a 400 pound higher GVWR than a gas engine truck. 400 pounds more for a 4 wheel drive than a 2WD, and crewcab has a maximum package, while the regular cab is much less weight rating.

Many think they can take the front and rear axle weight ratings, and as long as they are a couple hundred pounds below that figure they are safe. Actually the GVWR is more to do with the braking ability, transmission capacity, radiator capacity, and other tings. Including loading a pre-production truck on the test tracks of Michigan and Arizona. Once they load a truck to the maximum rating (that would be the GVWR - not the total of the axle ratings) they run around the test track, off the roadbed at 35 MPH and into the mud alongside the roadway, then back onto the roadway, start and stop the truck from 55 MPH several times for a hour to test and see if the brakes will overheat, or if the radiator will overheat.

Good luck,

Fred.

PS: IS it safe? Sure. Legal? Not likely, however you will only be in trouble if you are in a collision and they check the weight. It only becomes a huge problem if your insurance company asks to excuse itself, due to your being overweight.

Many lesser rated trucks carry as much weight. There will be a few who say they tow as much with a 2004 and earlier F-250 or F-350 with a 8800 to 9,900 GVWR respectively. And the older ones only had tires rated at 3,042 pounds each. Yours have at least 3,400 pounds per tire rating. So they upgrade their F-250 with 19.5" rims, tires, air bags, and forget about upgrading the brakes or transmission.

Fred.

Wow, I think we have found the Commissioner of the Weight Police!!!

[Old-Biscuit]

Fred,
You have made a reading/comprehension mistake.

His total loaded weight is 10,700# and he thinks his GVWR is 11,800

On Edit:
GVWR
17" tires/rims 2wd
156" wheel base----10,600#
172" wheel base----10,800#

17" tires/rims 4wd
156" W/B-------11,000#
172" W/B-------11,200#

18" T/R 2wd
156" W/B-------11,000#
172" W/B-------11,200

18/20" T/R 4wd
156" W/B-------11,400#
172" W/B-------11,500#

So OP is slightly over, just under or OK depending on whether truck is 2wd/4wd, short/long bed, 17"/18"/20" tires/rims

[NMace]

Fred,

Have you every seen a 5th wheel after a major accident? The ones I have seen leave wreckage 200 - 300 yards along the roadway and on both sides. They pick it all up with a front end loader.
CSI couldn't reconstruct the pre-accident weights.

There are lots of very good reasons to not exceed weight specs, but the ins co fears are pretty low on the list.

[Golden_HVAC]

Ummm Not exactly within the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, but pretty close to being overloaded a little bit.

The GVWR should be about 11,500 pounds on a SRW 2009 F-350 crewcab. I don't think it is as high as your loaded weight of 11,800 pounds.

Check the drivers door sticker again. I think that the axle weight ratings are what the factory says, however the GVWR should be around 11,000 to 11,500 pounds. Since 2005, the Fords have different GVWR depending on the option package. So a Diesel engine typically will have a 400 pound higher GVWR than a gas engine truck. 400 pounds more for a 4 wheel drive than a 2WD, and crewcab has a maximum package, while the regular cab is much less weight rating.

Many think they can take the front and rear axle weight ratings, and as long as they are a couple hundred pounds below that figure they are safe. Actually the GVWR is more to do with the braking ability, transmission capacity, radiator capacity, and other tings. Including loading a pre-production truck on the test tracks of Michigan and Arizona. Once they load a truck to the maximum rating (that would be the GVWR - not the total of the axle ratings) they run around the test track, off the roadbed at 35 MPH and into the mud alongside the roadway, then back onto the roadway, start and stop the truck from 55 MPH several times for a hour to test and see if the brakes will overheat, or if the radiator will overheat.

Good luck,

Fred.

PS: IS it safe? Sure. Legal? Not likely, however you will only be in trouble if you are in a collision and they check the weight. It only becomes a huge problem if your insurance company asks to excuse itself, due to your being overweight.

Many lesser rated trucks carry as much weight. There will be a few who say they tow as much with a 2004 and earlier F-250 or F-350 with a 8800 to 9,900 GVWR respectively. And the older ones only had tires rated at 3,042 pounds each. Yours have at least 3,400 pounds per tire rating. So they upgrade their F-250 with 19.5" rims, tires, air bags, and forget about upgrading the brakes or transmission.

Fred.