Then what?

[relaxin]

So most governments have set a time line when the end of the internal combustion engine Must occur,

(Moderator comment: Political comments removed)

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So then what?
Does anyone honestly think there will be an affordable Electric truck that can pull 10 to 15 thousand pound for 250 or more miles on a single charge?
Will we have to outfit our trailers with batteries to provide a boost for the truck doing the pulling? Or will the average middle class joe have to go back to tent camping?
Will there be aux battery packs that we can drop into the truck bed and tie down and plug in for extra mileage, and then take back out so we are not toting around the unnecessary weight when not towing

What's your thoughts on the future changes coming?

[BB_TX]

The ultimate solution?? Just put a wind powered turbine generator on the roof. Presto! Continuous free charging while you drive. And when you park, park headed into the wind. Again, free charging while parked. :B :B

[2oldman]

hotjag1 wrote:
I'm thinking he meant a corded drill that plugs into a wall socket.

There's something in my response that indicates I didn't know that?

[toedtoes]

2112 wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
My thought is that the goalposts will simply be moved.

This

It's an initiative to spawn new technologies and improve existing.

Nothing is cast in stone.

Exactly. If you read the actual declarations, etc, they all have a caveat like "if the technology exists".

They are meant to encourage companies to make changes and advances in technology NOT to piss off a bunch of RVers.

And it IS working. Electric vehicles are improving all the time. Companies are working on batteries that can handle longer trips and bigger loads. And companies built on short drives (pizza deliveries, etc) are replacing their ICE vehicles with electric vehicles.

It's all a work in progress. It isn't a "you will not do this or we will cut you down", it is a "if you can do this, then do it. If you can't, then wait until technology catches up".

[Reisender]

relaxin wrote:
So most governments have set a time line when the end of the internal combustion engine Must occur,

(Moderator comment: Political comments removed)

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So then what?
Does anyone honestly think there will be an affordable Electric truck that can pull 10 to 15 thousand pound for 250 or more miles on a single charge?
Will we have to outfit our trailers with batteries to provide a boost for the truck doing the pulling? Or will the average middle class joe have to go back to tent camping?
Will there be aux battery packs that we can drop into the truck bed and tie down and plug in for extra mileage, and then take back out so we are not toting around the unnecessary weight when not towing

What's your thoughts on the future changes coming?

Not an expert but those limits at least presently don’t affect 3/4 ton or one ton trucks. Do people pull 10,000 to 15,000 pound fifth wheels with half tons?

[schlep1967]

Why doesn't this exist?
Take a small diesel like the ecoboost, pair it with a front wheel drive unit and put it in a heavy duty truck. Then put electric motors on the rear wheels. You can have regenerative braking and alternator charging for the batteries. When pulling a fifth-wheel you need torque when starting and going up hills. This is when the electric would work with the ecoboost The rest of the time the ecoboost could easily keep the heavy load moving down the road.
And when you are not towing, either the ecoboost or the batteries could be used.
Once we can get the R & D department in Washington to meet in the middle instead of all or none. There are a lot of solutions.

[hotjag1]

2oldman wrote:

SuperBus wrote:
By the way, who is still using a 110 VAC drill?

Really. All my yard tools are battery.. leaf blower, lawn mower (110v battery!), hedge trimmer. I would never buy another gas powered tool.

I'm thinking he meant a corded drill that plugs into a wall socket.

[way2roll]

JRscooby wrote:


The public health issue of the last few years has convinced many companies there is no longer a need to transport many workers to a office.

If only that were true. There has been a massive shift in the past 6 months that companies are demanding workers go back into the office - for no really good reason. It's been proven for 2 years that work can be done remotely, while saving on fuel which drove prices down. Not to mention the other savings like electricity, day care, food, etc etc. Yet for some reason companies feel the need for you to buy gas to come in to the office. Most have made it mandatory and if you don't comply you lose your job.

[2oldman]

SuperBus wrote:
By the way, who is still using a 110 VAC drill?

Really. All my yard tools are battery.. leaf blower, lawn mower (110v battery!), hedge trimmer. I would never buy another gas powered tool.

[SuperBus]

It is coming, eventually. I am in this industry, and I think it is important to understand that there is essentially ZERO development dollars going into ICE engines. The big three are pouring all powertrain development money into BEVs (including 3/4 and 1 tons), and many MD and HD applications (buses, regional, etc.) are moving to EV quickly where range and predictability allow it. Heck, heavy equipment manufacturers are working on it too (1000V+). HFCV (hydrogen fuel cell vehicles) are the answer to bridge the gap while battery tech catches up for long haul and other very heavy applications. Or maybe not - HFCV could be the answer. Time will tell.

I am not saying everything will be there tomorrow, or ICE will disappear (it won't), but 2050 will look a lot different than 2030. Many problems need to be solved - infrastructure, materials, power generations sources - but this is nothing new.

By the way, who is still using a 110 VAC drill?

[BB_TX]

EVs have improved greatly over the years. And will continue so with new technological advances. So, yes, sometime in the not too distant future ICE engines, for the most part, will become dinosaurs. Maybe not in time for us older RVers, but certainly for you younger ones.

[2oldman]

JRscooby wrote:
There is no viable alternative to ICE NOW

If you're talking about pulling a 5th wheel, no. If you're talking about a short daily commute and you can charge at home, they're perfect.

[qtla9111]

I wonder what people thought when the first gas-engine automobile came off the assembly line? They may have said the same thing comparing weight, fuel cost, and maintenance versus the price of a horse and a bail of hay. That may sound silly today but not then.

Maybe trailers and fifth wheels should become smaller and lighter. I'd like to see the statistics of a Tesla pulling a folding hard-sided trailer such as a Chalet, Aliner, or Trailmanor.

[JRscooby]

There is no viable alternative to ICE NOW
OTOH, in the not to distant past there was no viable alternative to animal power. (In my early teens I plowed the garden with a mule. I learned to love that John Deere A next day in the field) But then Hank put the T on the market.

Our society is totally dependent on ICEs for so much like airplanes, trucks, trains, etc for transportation of people and goods

The public health issue of the last few years has convinced many companies there is no longer a need to transport many workers to a office. Maybe our society can learn to produce more of what is needed near where it is needed? And go back to more rail, powered like subway, to move more goods and people?

Or will the average middle class joe have to go back to tent camping?

I see another, harder to fix problem for the "average middle class joe" with regards to camping. That is for a family to stay in middle class, afford to even tent camp, there often needs to be 2 or more full time jobs. And sometimes the only way to generate that income is several part-time jobs. Now how do you manage to get time off all the jobs at same time?

[CA_Traveler]

fj12ryder wrote:
My thought is that the goalposts will simply be moved.

X2 EVs will increase and are great for shorter travel and that distance will increase along with reduced charging time.

Our society is totally dependent on ICEs for so much like airplanes, trucks, trains, etc for transportation of people and goods. How/when will reasonable alternatives evolve? There is no viable short term alternative but that could change in the future.

[2112]

fj12ryder wrote:
My thought is that the goalposts will simply be moved.

This

It's an initiative to spawn new technologies and improve existing.

Nothing is cast in stone.