And Texas Caves In

[DallasSteve]

The last bastion of sanity has jumped on the "stay at home" bandwagon. They just sent me an email that they have closed all state parks to save the 1% who may die from the dreaded super virus. Texas was once a great state.

[shelbyfv]

ExxWhy wrote:
so let's try a different definition of vaccine.

OK, that's better. Nobody needs to be making up their own definitions. Carry on;)

[mich800]

wnjj wrote:
From the definition: "A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease."

The issue with the annual flu vaccine is that it doesn't always target the proper "specific disease" that ends up in circulation, hence people get sick from the one that does. The "flu" is not specific but rather a family of viruses.

So technically the flu shot is a vaccine or a cocktail of more than one vaccine. Practically speaking it may or may not be effective during "flu season" due to the varied flavors.

You are debating with someone that thinks the flu is one virus.

[wnjj]

From the definition: "A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease."

The issue with the annual flu vaccine is that it doesn't always target the proper "specific disease" that ends up in circulation, hence people get sick from the one that does. The "flu" is not specific but rather a family of viruses.

So technically the flu shot is a vaccine or a cocktail of more than one vaccine. Practically speaking it may or may not be effective during "flu season" due to the varied flavors.

[ExxWhy]

Yes I am serious providing definitions. Looks like it is needed, so let's try a different definition of vaccine.

Bonus question, does the flu shot fit the CDC description posted below of a vaccine?


From the CDC themselves.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm

Definition of Terms
Let’s start by defining several basic terms:

Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.

Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.

Immunization: A process by which a person becomes protected against a disease through vaccination. This term is often used interchangeably with vaccination or inoculation.

[DallasSteve]

I saw this story today that says aerobic exercise made old mice young again. The current stay at home panic is sure to decrease the amount of aerobic exercise that the modern world gets. Maybe not for everybody, but for most people. It's much harder to start (or re-start) a regular exercise program than to stop it. We are sacrificing the health of the healthy to try to keep the unhealthy alive. I don't think it's possible to design a worse program for the health of people without using concentration camps.

Reversing The Effect Of Aging

[tomman58]

So many doctors so many opinions here...........................

The only thing I know is "it ain't over till it's over"

[mich800]

ExxWhy wrote:

tomman58 wrote:

Lantley wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

dodge guy wrote:



And 80,000 people died of the flu in 2017. I don't remember a shut down then? At the rate of 22,000 right now, that would be 66,000 by the end of the year. I don't see the issue that requires the country to be shut down.

23,500 have died since March 13, at that rate it would be more like 200,000 by the end of the year.

Now that the math has been corrected does an additional 150,000 deaths change your mind.
During the pandemic of 1917 Spanish Flu. I believe 675,000 died. That's what we are trying to avoid.

You can get a flu shot........ many don't and some of them die, chew on that.

Many do get the flu shot and some of them die! Flu shot is not a vaccine and is nowhere close to 100% effective.

I don't think you understand what the "flu" vaccine is. From your definition that same vaccine should work for covid-19.

[rltorpey]

shelbyfv wrote:

ExxWhy wrote:
Let me define what I consider a vaccine.....

Seriously?

:B

[shelbyfv]

ExxWhy wrote:
Let me define what I consider a vaccine.....

Seriously?

[fj12ryder]

JIMNLIN wrote:

Tvov wrote:
I think this thread is becoming a perfect example of how people can make statistics say whatever they want them to say.

Both "sides" are bringing up numbers supporting their position.

Eventually we will get to the point of saying "we have to agree to disagree". I don't know when that point is.

X2...why its been allowed to go on and on and on I have no idea. Serves no purpose and other that rising numbers of deaths each day.

I notice other rv and non rv websites have started COVID-19 forums that take in all aspects its created or other theories/sky is falling/mean ol' government theories on the subject. One website moves all troll threads like this one to that forum.

If you don't care for the thread, then simply hit the "Hide" button and you won't be bothered by it. Why feel the need to force your views to all?

[wilber1]

ExxWhy wrote:

pnichols wrote:

ExxWhy wrote:

tomman58 wrote:

Lantley wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

dodge guy wrote:



And 80,000 people died of the flu in 2017. I don't remember a shut down then? At the rate of 22,000 right now, that would be 66,000 by the end of the year. I don't see the issue that requires the country to be shut down.

23,500 have died since March 13, at that rate it would be more like 200,000 by the end of the year.

Now that the math has been corrected does an additional 150,000 deaths change your mind.
During the pandemic of 1917 Spanish Flu. I believe 675,000 died. That's what we are trying to avoid.

You can get a flu shot........ many don't and some of them die, chew on that.

Many do get the flu shot and some of them die! Flu shot is not a vaccine and is nowhere close to 100% effective.

[COLOR=]"Flu shot is not a vaccine"" ... huh?, huh? huh? :h

Where did you get this from? If you're somehow correct, you better contact whoever wrote this and have them correct what they wrote:
https://www.medicinenet.com/flu_vaccination/article.htm

Let me define what I consider a vaccine. When it works in most people, it is a vaccine. Like polio, mumps, measles, etc. Perhaps that is not the clinical description, but it is my description. I apologize if I have deceived you in any way.

The flu shot at the rosiest projection 50% effective. Would you call it a polio vaccine if you still had a 50-50 chance to get polio?

Call it a vaccine if you wish. If we get a "vaccine" that is 50% effective for covid-19, will that be satisfactory for those of you who wish to isolate as long as it takes?

The flu vaccine is a vaccine for the particular flu strains it is concocted for, but which strains will be most active is a guess and the accuracy of their guessing varies from season to season.

Shingles vaccine is likely less than 60% effective but having seen some of the effects of shingles, including a friend losing his flying career because of what it did to his vision, I'll take the 50% rather than nothing.

[ExxWhy]

pnichols wrote:

ExxWhy wrote:

tomman58 wrote:

Lantley wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

dodge guy wrote:



And 80,000 people died of the flu in 2017. I don't remember a shut down then? At the rate of 22,000 right now, that would be 66,000 by the end of the year. I don't see the issue that requires the country to be shut down.

23,500 have died since March 13, at that rate it would be more like 200,000 by the end of the year.

Now that the math has been corrected does an additional 150,000 deaths change your mind.
During the pandemic of 1917 Spanish Flu. I believe 675,000 died. That's what we are trying to avoid.

You can get a flu shot........ many don't and some of them die, chew on that.

Many do get the flu shot and some of them die! Flu shot is not a vaccine and is nowhere close to 100% effective.

[COLOR=]"Flu shot is not a vaccine"" ... huh?, huh? huh? :h

Where did you get this from? If you're somehow correct, you better contact whoever wrote this and have them correct what they wrote:
https://www.medicinenet.com/flu_vaccination/article.htm

Let me define what I consider a vaccine. When it works in most people, it is a vaccine. Like polio, mumps, measles, etc. Perhaps that is not the clinical description, but it is my description. I apologize if I have deceived you in any way.

The flu shot at the rosiest projection 50% effective. Would you call it a polio vaccine if you still had a 50-50 chance to get polio?

Call it a vaccine if you wish. If we get a "vaccine" that is 50% effective for covid-19, will that be satisfactory for those of you who wish to isolate as long as it takes?

[ExxWhy]

JRscooby wrote:

dodge guy wrote:

way2roll wrote:


Per the CDC - 22,000 people have died in the past 30 days due to the COVID in the US alone. that's a real number - although I have a feeling that you will find some way to say it's false news, or incorrect due to some data error because you obviously hold PHD's in statistics and disease control and somehow can refute these numbers.

So question for you, Where's YOUR evidence that the mandatory shutdown will kill more people than that? What's the number and at what rate? Links and supporting data is always helpful.

And 80,000 people died of the flu in 2017. I don't remember a shut down then? At the rate of 22,000 right now, that would be 66,000 by the end of the year. I don't see the issue that requires the country to be shut down.

Dodge guy, think you need to check your math;
80,000 a year means 80000/365=219 dead per day.
22,000 in 30 days is 22000/30=733 dead per day.

at that rate for a year we would loose 267,545 people. Think that would be a economic hit?

So you expect the US alone will have over double the number of worldwide deaths to date? Is that with or without a shutdown?
Let's hope you are just as wrong as all the models predicting that have been.

Let's rephrase the question. Which will cause more economic destruction? The loss of whatever number of people you want to claim at the average age of 79 -vs- the immediate unemployment of over 10 million working age people plus the shuttering of uncounted millions of small businesses?

[DallasSteve]

pnichols wrote:

ExxWhy wrote:

Many do get the flu shot and some of them die! Flu shot is not a vaccine and is nowhere close to 100% effective.

[COLOR=]"Flu shot is not a vaccine"" ... huh?, huh? huh? :h

Where did you get this from? If you're somehow correct, you better contact whoever wrote this and have them correct what they wrote:
https://www.medicinenet.com/flu_vaccination/article.htm

Some people just post whatever they think is true without doing any research because they think they "know it all".

[pnichols]

ExxWhy wrote:

tomman58 wrote:

Lantley wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

dodge guy wrote:



And 80,000 people died of the flu in 2017. I don't remember a shut down then? At the rate of 22,000 right now, that would be 66,000 by the end of the year. I don't see the issue that requires the country to be shut down.

23,500 have died since March 13, at that rate it would be more like 200,000 by the end of the year.

Now that the math has been corrected does an additional 150,000 deaths change your mind.
During the pandemic of 1917 Spanish Flu. I believe 675,000 died. That's what we are trying to avoid.

You can get a flu shot........ many don't and some of them die, chew on that.

Many do get the flu shot and some of them die! Flu shot is not a vaccine and is nowhere close to 100% effective.

[COLOR=]"Flu shot is not a vaccine"" ... huh?, huh? huh? :h

Where did you get this from? If you're somehow correct, you better contact whoever wrote this and have them correct what they wrote:
https://www.medicinenet.com/flu_vaccination/article.htm