Bad Campground Neighboor

[pa_traveler]

I went boating last weekend with my cousin . She and her friend were camping at Robert Treman SP. We had a good day out on Saturday. She told me, she camped until Monday,park got kinda empty . Then A guy and his wife brought a pitbull and was camping next to her. She was always afraid of dogs,guy insisted on letting dog run free and onto her site. Her boyfriend asked guy to keep dog on his own site. This guy cursed them out using the blank you word and said im from NY this is my campground. My cousin packed up and left.I cant believe a state park would allow pitbulls ,maybe he didn't tell them. I told her she should have reported this guy to the rangers. But their camping was ruined and they left. Im going to tell her to call up and report this jerk.This campground is near Ithaca. This is the worst story I have ever heard about happening in a campground. My cousin and her friend are very friendly and nice.Anybody ever hear of this bad of a camper.

[toedtoes]

I have been thinking about all these threads concerning loose dogs at campsites and have decided on the following:

1. If the campground is fairly empty, I will most likely just move my site if there is a jerkoff camped next to me. If I get questioned about moving by the camphost, ranger, etc., I will explain exactly why I moved (and it may or may not have anything to do with a loose dog).

2. From now on, if someone's dog is loose and coming around my dogs, I will ask the owner to please call their dog away. When they say, which they invariably do, "oh, he/she's friendly", I will no longer reply with "well mine aren't" but instead with "well I am not friendly and don't want your dog in my space". I'm going to keep my dogs out of the situation as much as possible - because if they become part of it, they will be accused of being problem due to their breeds. And for the record, my dogs aren't mean, aggressive, etc., but one has a fear of people issue and the other has been attacked by small dogs to the point that he doesn't like them much anymore (both are getting better with work, but sometimes they are just tired and cranky and don't have any patience left - just like me).

3. I now have a bunch of those cheap noose-leashes that I am keeping in my RV. If a dog appears in my campsite loose and is not aggressive, I will leash it and take it back to its owner and say "I just found your dog messing with a rattle snake, I suggest you check the dog for bites and keep it with you from now on".

I figure the above will be the less stressful on me, the most effective in removing the problem, and the less likely to backfire on my dogs.

[NYCgrrl]

DiskDoctr wrote:
Unfortunately, even if your cousin would have attempted to stand up against being wronged, her success would be entirely dependent on the "AUTHORITY" to whom she made the report.

If the person who happens to be in charge of that particular forum decides to ignore her, there is nothing more she could do. It's their sandbox and they will run it however they want.

"Right" and "Justice" are always subject to the rule of the king.

They aren't always right, but we're all subject to their rule.

Like the saying, "Might doesn't always make right" 😉

I've seen NYS troopers in action and make a conscious effort not to disagree with them about ANYTHING. Also and particularly NYPD. Which explains why of late I've been camping in Connecticut......

Apparently my tax dollars work much too hard on law enforcement.

[DiskDoctr]

Unfortunately, even if your cousin would have attempted to stand up against being wronged, her success would be entirely dependent on the "AUTHORITY" to whom she made the report.

If the person who happens to be in charge of that particular forum decides to ignore her, there is nothing more she could do. It's their sandbox and they will run it however they want.

"Right" and "Justice" are always subject to the rule of the king.

They aren't always right, but we're all subject to their rule.

Like the saying, "Might doesn't always make right" 😉

[wa8yxm]

I have known Pit Bulls that would not harm a person (Unless you were trying to either harm them or one of their protectees) and pit bulls.. Well the one dog that ever managed to cause me pain (Did not exactly bite me, but tried) on purpose and had any measure of success at all was a Pit Bull.

I have been bitten by a dog once.. He did not mean to and it was clear from his actions he was sorry,, That was an albino shepard.

The Pit managed to strike a fingernail while trying to bite my wrist but I was too fast for him (Fairly good at reading animal body language so I knew to get outta the way, just not quite fast enough) he is the only animal ever to "Get a piece of me" on purpose.. Though even there he did not break skin.

So Yes, I am cautious around them.. But I've had other breeds try to bite me too,, Like the pit, they filed, unlike him they did not even get close.

[K3WE]

This is really terrible, but I'm becoming a bigger and bigger believer in having a dash cam, or clicking your smart phone to record events like this.

[K3WE]

~DJ~ wrote:
As far as the Pit Bull debate, no matter what you want to call them, are the number one biters.

Of the 14 people killed by dogs in the USA 13 were from Pit Bulls!!

I love dogs but I would not turn my back on a Pit due to their deserved reputation.

Of the one dog I own that was attacked by another dog (on a public street) it was a pit bull.

Of the one friend I have that was attacked by another dog (on a public street) it was a pit bull.

Yeah- I know that pit bulls can be incredibly loving dogs- just as the small breeds can have incredible aggressive tendencies too.

But there's some bad tendencies with that mix of genes. Not out to exterminate anyone's wonderful pet- but not sure we need to be breeding new individuals that with a little bit of the wrong kind of coaching become fairly efficient killers.

[2012Coleman]

colliehauler wrote:

FunnyCamper wrote:
just leaving sure didn't fix his attitude and stupidity. now he will do it to someone else.
you should have gotten the ranger. simple as that.

I have to agree, Posting on RV net will not solve the problem.

Also agree - she didn't have to leave. She didn't even have to go to the ranger station if she had a cell phone.

[wa8yxm]

I am of two minds on allowing pit bulls but every campground I have ever been, City, County, State, Federal or private had one rule that was constant among them all with regard to pets.. MUST BE ON A LEASH AT ALL TIMES (If outside the RV) I let my cats run free inside the Motor home, but outside,, She keeps me on a leash. (Since the cat is the boss and a "She" is properly called a Queen, as in Your Highness, which she thinks she is).

So you should have reported him to the park manager for violation of leash rule.

[suprz]

Tvov wrote:
Depending on the situation, if the campground had emptied out and the jerk camper was right next to me, I might very well just leave also - telling the Rangers on the way out why I am leaving. Unless I knew the Rangers would kick the jerk out, I don't think I would be able to sleep easily with them next to me after reporting them.

One of my first thoughts also

I would have tried to be nice, but once the ignorance comes out from the idiot, I will respond, and by that time my whole experience is on a downward spiral. I've learned that the world is usually big enough to find.another place to camp

[ReneeG]

~DJ~ wrote:

ReneeG wrote:
In my initial post, I was going to say something about pit bulls and being against breed specific laws, but that was off topic, as are the others here on the nature of pit bulls. Since you all started it, I'm going to respond. Many more breeds bite, but are not logged and tracked as pit bulls are. There are many loving, social pit bulls are out there. Do I own one or have I ever? No. But, I did own a Rottweiller. What do you say about that breed? She was the most loving dog we ever had. Scary looking but she was loving. Ever see the children's book series, "Carl"? She was also a registered pet therapy dog and when we bought a house and were asked by the insurance company on the type of dogs we had, and I told them, they didn't want to cover us. I then told them she was a registered pet therapy dog and licensed to ride in the passenger area of a plane. They covered us. Don't get me started on breed specific prejudice. 9 times out of 10 it's the owners. Read your statistics on St. Bernards, biters, and so can be Akitas and Chows, but you never hear about them do you?

The point of the OP's was the bad neighbor not minding their dog and they just happen to mention their fear of pit bulls. Had she mentioned her fear of Chihuahua's, there would've been different responses.

The Pit Bull was brought up in the Original Post by the Original Poster. How are we off topic?

To me the situation was the loose dogs and the bad response from their owner, "Bad Campground Neighbor" as opposed to "Loose Pit Bulls in Campground, What to Do?"

[am1958]

I'm afraid to say that this is a/the problem with society today.

I say: Hello.

Moron says: F you.

I... Run away....

It's actually ok to meet aggression with aggression and, if you'll try it you'll be surprised at the results you'll get in your favour. Most of these people get away with it because people let them.

In this situation, after I was sworn at, I'd have mentioned that the next time his mutt was loose in my area I'd invite him to dinner and he can come right after he finishes looking, unsuccessfully, for his dog. Then I'd go and place my machete and half axe in full view by my side. I'll bet $50 that 99% of the people who act like him will back down.

It really is OK to treat stupid people as stupid. The fact that you don't realize that they know they are stupid isn't an excuse. Most of them are cowards and those that aren't can be dealt with or will end up dealing with the police.

[_DJ_1]

ReneeG wrote:
In my initial post, I was going to say something about pit bulls and being against breed specific laws, but that was off topic, as are the others here on the nature of pit bulls. Since you all started it, I'm going to respond. Many more breeds bite, but are not logged and tracked as pit bulls are. There are many loving, social pit bulls are out there. Do I own one or have I ever? No. But, I did own a Rottweiller. What do you say about that breed? She was the most loving dog we ever had. Scary looking but she was loving. Ever see the children's book series, "Carl"? She was also a registered pet therapy dog and when we bought a house and were asked by the insurance company on the type of dogs we had, and I told them, they didn't want to cover us. I then told them she was a registered pet therapy dog and licensed to ride in the passenger area of a plane. They covered us. Don't get me started on breed specific prejudice. 9 times out of 10 it's the owners. Read your statistics on St. Bernards, biters, and so can be Akitas and Chows, but you never hear about them do you?

The point of the OP's was the bad neighbor not minding their dog and they just happen to mention their fear of pit bulls. Had she mentioned her fear of Chihuahua's, there would've been different responses.

The Pit Bull was brought up in the Original Post by the Original Poster. How are we off topic?

[minn_camping_fa]

pa traveler, please don't be cross with your cousin for leaving the situation.

As women we have to learn to trust our "inner voice" - something about this man and this situation didn't sit right with your cousin, and she did the right thing by leaving, for her safety and for the safety of her friend.

Next time she'll know to stop and report him on the way out, and perhaps it's not too late now to call the Ranger and explain what happened. But in my opinion she did the right thing for herself at the time. And she was unhurt, not bothered by this creep, and didn't have to stress out with worry wondering if something was going to happen for the rest of the weekend.

[ReneeG]

In my initial post, I was going to say something about pit bulls and being against breed specific laws, but that was off topic, as are the others here on the nature of pit bulls. Since you all started it, I'm going to respond. Many more breeds bite, but are not logged and tracked as pit bulls are. There are many loving, social pit bulls are out there. Do I own one or have I ever? No. But, I did own a Rottweiller. What do you say about that breed? She was the most loving dog we ever had. Scary looking but she was loving. Ever see the children's book series, "Carl"? She was also a registered pet therapy dog and when we bought a house and were asked by the insurance company on the type of dogs we had, and I told them, they didn't want to cover us. I then told them she was a registered pet therapy dog and licensed to ride in the passenger area of a plane. They covered us. Don't get me started on breed specific prejudice. 9 times out of 10 it's the owners. Read your statistics on St. Bernards, biters, and so can be Akitas and Chows, but you never hear about them do you?

The point of the OP's was the bad neighbor not minding their dog and they just happen to mention their fear of pit bulls. Had she mentioned her fear of Chihuahua's, there would've been different responses.

[Speedogomer]

I bet if you did a study of the dog owners who had the dogs involved in the killings, they'd all have something in common too. Irresponsible low life's who think owning a "pit bull" is cool, and tough. I bet every one of them was in an urban or suburban environment, with a dog that was tied up and not socialized.

The reason why pit bulls are the number one biters is because pit bulls are the number one dog owned by low life scum bags who are irresponsible.

In the 80s it was German Shepards that low life's owned, and they were the worse biters, they fell out of favor and in the 90s it was rottweiler and dobermans that were being banned, now it's pit bulls. All one thing in common, dogs owned by low lifes.

I've only ever been bit badly by one dog, and it was a golden retriver (Consistently considered a great family dog). 24 years later I still have the scars.