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Oil change interval?

Jayco-noslide
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Recently bought a used Ford Focus from the dealer. Re: the sticker on the windshield, I asked, "Do you use a 3000 or 5000 suggested oil change interval. He answered, they used 5000 for awhile but got so much uproar from customers, they went back to 3000. I'm thinking, why let old fashioned uninformed customers determine this and waste all that oil and money. There's no evidence to suggest that we can't go 5000 miles and well over with oil. In fact the company generated manuals recommend it, with a few possible exceptions. I'm not so sure about a motor home, which is always under a load? I still think I can safely go at least 5000 with my Ford V-10? Opinions welcomed but let's hear some fact evidence back-up.
Remember when everyone thought it should be 1000 but most of you probably aren't old enough.
Jayco-noslide
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DRTDEVL
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Today's biggest issue is filtration. Don't skimp on the filters (never even look at a Fram). If you use a quality synthetic, you can go a really long time on your oil, provided it is kept clean.

My examples for a 5k filter change interval and a 20k oil drain interval:

1997 Ford E150 with a 5.4: Lost it to the ex in a divorce at 302,000 miles. Always used Motorcraft filters. No oil-related failures.

2003 Dodge Sprinter with a Mercedes OM647 2.7l turbo diesel: Currently at 372,000 miles. Just did the 20,000 mile oil change over the weekend, an the oil still felt great. As for the filters? I have been getting a generic "Premium Guard" filters, made in Korea like the OEM filter, and there is no discernible difference (cartridges, not spin-on). I'll be sending off for an oil analysis at 390,000 miles when its oil is changed again.
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JIMNLIN
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I'm anal on vehicle maintenance especially engine oil and filters.

Back in the '50s and '60s carburetor era mainly due to poor engine oils and engine oil contamination from poor engine mfg proceses we had 2k-3k oil/filter change service recommendations.
However with todays much much better engine oils and tight machine specs in the engine mfg process changing engine oil at 2k-3k miles is a waste of a precious resource.

Myself I go by the engine makers recommendations on all nine private use trucks I've owned......like my '03 Dodge/Cummins 305/555 HO HPCR engine. Cummins gives it a 7500 heavy service or a 15000 mile normal service oil change interval. At 318k miles and 15w-40 Rotella its worked fine. Blackstone engine oil analysis every 50k miles says keep doing what your doing.
My other gas and diesel trucks in commercial service I used their service recommendations also. I know many doing this type work may run a 15k-20k oil change schedule with a filter change at every 10k miles. Todays engine and oils/filters allows many operators to run their truck up to the 300k-400k miles before time to swap.
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westend
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Jayco-noslide wrote:
Consumer Reports did some research on this several years ago; the only real research I've ever seen. They dismantled the engines of New York taxis after various oil change intervals. Found no difference in wear; no support for frequent changes. They recommended- follow the manual.
My suggestion, as well.

Ford V 10 recommends a synblend (Motorcraft) and changes at 3K miles. This probably includes maintenance for "severe duty" environment and use. An owner could stretch that out, IMO, if grocery getting or easy use is typical. I have the Ford V8 and the same recommendations. I change at around 4K miles. Truck has 200K miles.

Oil changes have to be thought of in the terms of use and environment as engine oil can carry a lot of dirt and typical long interval changes may not be best. Saab and some other Mfgs have found this out when they recommended 15K as the interval. They ended up replacing engines under warranty or extending warranty.

For most doing their own maintenance the owner's manual is a good reference. Oil is still relatively cheap and, IMO, short change intervals have advantage.
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owenssailor
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There have been quite a number of tests where the oil has been analysed after reaching the change oil point. In every case that I have seen the oil would provide the needed protection to the motor for at least that distance again.
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dodge_guy
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mockturtle wrote:
The monitor has access to the same information you do (miles) and much more like temperatures, number of cold engine starts, average mph, etc.


But it doesn't look at the oil.


Exactly! It guesses, based on what itโ€™s programmed to think.
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mockturtle
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The monitor has access to the same information you do (miles) and much more like temperatures, number of cold engine starts, average mph, etc.


But it doesn't look at the oil.
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ppine
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There is a famous story of a Kenworth semi tractor that went 1 million miles on the same synthetic oil. They frequently changed filters and used microfiltration. Each filter change adds a quart or so of new oil. They may have been some additives put in the oil also.

Eric_Lisa
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time2roll wrote:
Eric&Lisa wrote:
Daily driver #1: 306k miles.
Daily driver #2: 296k miles.

Both on original motors, never been rebuilt. I am religious about doing oil changes every 1500-2k miles. I do them myself, less than $25 in oil + filter, and about 20 minutes of work.

Take it for what it is worth. That is my personal experience, and I am sticking with it.

-Eric
Changing at 10,000 most likely would create the same result.

You could change every 500 miles but there would not be any real proof it was necessary.

Do you change your belts and tires annually too?


Ah, see there is another thing! Because I am regularly under the hood of my vehicles, I am noticing wear before it becomes a problem. So do I change belts annually? Nope, but I do proactively change them before they become a problem and are fully worn out.

Transmissions are serviced annually though, every October. Drop the pan, change the filter, change the fluid. Original transmissions in both daily drivers too.

Your reference to tires is not applicable. Tires have a visible wear indicator telling you when they should be replaced. Modern vehicles attempt to have a similar function for oil, but it is based on mileage, driving habits, or something like that - not the actual condition of the oil. There are no sensors in the motor which determine there are too many contaminates in the oil or it is starting to lose its lubrication ability.

My neighbor has a Suburban of similar vintage to my GM daily driver vehicles. He changes oil every 5k - 6k miles. The 'burb is on its 2nd motor. He thinks he needs to change it again as it is down on power and is starting to consume oil.

As I said, take it for what it is worth. I'm sticking with it. In my experience frequent oil changes are the cheapest maintenance I can put in to the internals of a motor. Your experiences may be different.

Some philosophy....

When I see questions or topics about oil changes, it isn't about the oil change interval. The question really is, 'How long can I defer vehicle maintenance before it hurts me?' The answer to that varies based off the individual and there is no one right answer that fits everyone.

Myself for example... Cars are expensive items to replace. I (obviously) drive them as long as I can before replacement. Therefore, for me it makes sense to be aggressive on my maintenance schedule.

Someone else... They may really like having new cars and the payments that go along with them. They know they will move on to a new vehicle every few years. They don't care if deferred service affects the long term wear on the vehicle. A different person will own it when it becomes a problem. So going as far as they can between oil changes makes sense for them.

-Eric
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Jayco-noslide
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Consumer Reports did some research on this several years ago; the only real research I've ever seen. They dismantled the engines of New York taxis after various oil change intervals. Found no difference in wear; no support for frequent changes. They recommended- follow the manual.
Jayco-noslide

RollandB
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I use the old dinosaur oil, being retired 80% of the miles is Towing the 5er. I stick with 3000 mile interval. Oil is cheap IMO.
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wnjj
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mockturtle wrote:
I always get my oil changed well before the monitor suggests it--usually about 5-6K miles with synthetic--as I think the monitor is only quantitative rather than qualitative.
The monitor has access to the same information you do (miles) and much more like temperatures, number of cold engine starts, average mph, etc.

mockturtle
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I always get my oil changed well before the monitor suggests it--usually about 5-6K miles with synthetic--as I think the monitor is only quantitative rather than qualitative.
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owenssailor
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For my GM vehicles I go by the oil life monitor. It is always more than 5000 miles. The manual says to use the monitor.
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time2roll
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Eric&Lisa wrote:
Daily driver #1: 306k miles.
Daily driver #2: 296k miles.

Both on original motors, never been rebuilt. I am religious about doing oil changes every 1500-2k miles. I do them myself, less than $25 in oil + filter, and about 20 minutes of work.

Take it for what it is worth. That is my personal experience, and I am sticking with it.

-Eric
Changing at 10,000 most likely would create the same result.

You could change every 500 miles but there would not be any real proof it was necessary.

Do you change your belts and tires annually too?