Paying for two sites

[VT_Skier]

Has anyone ever paid for two sites so they would be assured of some privacy or more room? At our favorite CG some of non electric sites are a bit close together so we will pay for two sites just wondering if anyone else does this.

[fj12ryder]

I did think the original post was mostly trolling, but after watching the OP do an admirable job of not taking offense at many posts, including mine, that attack the OP's point of view, I've changed my mind and consider that he really was curious.

Why do people always want to close an interesting thread? Let a little wrangling back and forth, and the next thing some one posts is "And what I'M wondering is why this thread hasn't been shut down long before this?". Don't like it? Don't read it. They have an excellent delete option to remove threads you don't want to see/read. Just click on the "Hide" button and you're no longer bothered by an unpleasant, to you, thread.

[et2]

I find it amusing the OP asks on a public forum a open ended question. Honestly anyone with a little common sense would probably realize they might get a tad more response than a " yes " or "no" answer. Which obviously was the case here.

The ironic part was, anyone who commented in a negative way or asked questions to the OP was more or less lambasted by them. This was probably the reason some considered this a troll post, which does seem to be walking that line.

IMHO who cares?? If they are allowed to do it - not my business. But that doesn't mean we all have to agree with them. It's pretty obvious the OP doesn't care about what opinion you have that is contradictory to the OP's opinion. No further reason to continue the charade.

[jfkmk]

VT Skier wrote:
Let's do some simple math:

20 foot campsite where will a 25 foot camper fit......in the road maybe.....2 20 ft campsites equals 40 ft at least with my old math (just a shot at this new math stuff) Again lets get back to what I posted less than half full CG in a meadow where there are ten or so small sites if and only if there is no one else reserved or camping there when I call the VT campground's # to check and see on a Wed will I reserve two sites so I can fit my camper in. And why do you say someone is a troll are you of the uppity crowd who think your special because your opinion is the only one that counts?
And this discussion just proves why this country is the best in the world we all have an opinion and freely voice it......Although I'm right and your not.......LOL

Your original post has morphed into this? You never said your rig doesn't fit in one space and should you rent two sites to fit. You just wanted "privacy and more room". As a reminder, here it is:


"Has anyone ever paid for two sites so they would be assured of some privacy or more room? At our favorite CG some of non electric sites are a bit close together so we will pay for two sites just wondering if anyone else does this."

[noplace2]

VT Skier wrote:
Let's do some simple math:

20 foot campsite where will a 25 foot camper fit......in the road maybe.....2 20 ft campsites equals 40 ft at least with my old math (just a shot at this new math stuff)

Just mentioning that "new math" has been around for about 50 years.

And what I'M wondering is why this thread hasn't been shut down long before this?

[VT_Skier]

Let's do some simple math:

20 foot campsite where will a 25 foot camper fit......in the road maybe.....2 20 ft campsites equals 40 ft at least with my old math (just a shot at this new math stuff) Again lets get back to what I posted less than half full CG in a meadow where there are ten or so small sites if and only if there is no one else reserved or camping there when I call the VT campground's # to check and see on a Wed will I reserve two sites so I can fit my camper in. And why do you say someone is a troll are you of the uppity crowd who think your special because your opinion is the only one that counts?
And this discussion just proves why this country is the best in the world we all have an opinion and freely voice it......Although I'm right and your not.......LOL

[wnjj]

LarryJM wrote:

Crowe wrote:
would use the restaurant analogy of reserving all the tables around you and when someone comes in to find a table, the host says, "sorry, no room".

Thanks, that was a much better analogy. And the "taking up 2 parking spots" one. At least there's a few around here who understand!

IMO those are both terrible analogies since unlike a CG site that you pay for neither of those are revenue generators unless say for the restaurant table you have to pay either a penalty if you don't actually use it. Likewise parking spaces are marked for individual cars and there is no cost associated for using them. Just try that in say a paid parking garage and you just might find your vehicle towed and a finanical penalty in towing/impound imposed. I would bet the majority of CGs would love multiple site reservations that you pay for and don't use since those will have a higher profit margin due to lack of services needed at that site. Also, I think you will find that for those CGs where they are usually at maximum they will pre charge for reservations and many are not not refundable so this multiple site issue and somehow not paying and hoping it stays vacant if that is what you are hoping for has been neutralized by appropriate CG policies.

Larry

The parking lot analogy where resources (i.e. close parking spots or spots at all) are limited is a far better analogy than your size of a steak analogy.

You continue to make your point that if you pay, it's yours. I agree with that but it is still selfish when you deprive others. You have every right in this country to be that, just own it.

Private campgrounds are in business to make money and you're right that they'd likely be ok so long as it's paid. They ought to consider the notion that expanding their pool of customers is of better long-term benefit that just filling spots right now.

Public campgrounds have another goal: Providing recreation for the public. Using more than you need when resources are limited is selfish, in my opinion, even within your rights to do so.

Also, even parking spaces in a free lot like a store have costs and generate revenue for the store just not directly from the parking spaces.

[jplante4]

I was once informed that the drive thru at Dunkin Donuts was for mommies with kids in car seats and that everyone that can leave their car unattended, park and go inside should do so. This would make the line shorter for the mommies that can only use the drive thru. My response was "or you can stop drinking coffee". People have a funny view of the world through their rode-colored glasses.

[Crowe]

IMO those are both terrible analogies since unlike a CG site that you pay for neither of those are revenue generators unless say for the restaurant table you have to pay either a penalty if you don't actually use it.

What you aren't understanding is the issue has nothing to do with money and everything to do with respect and greed. What it boils down to is the action of reserving a 2nd site precludes anyone else from using it and that's unfair. If a cg has 100 sites and I call to book one and they are all filled I don't get to camp there. If the cg is legitimately filled fine and dandy, maybe my fault for waiting too long, but if it's because someone has decided that they are privileged and deserve two sites then that is where I have a problem. Yes, I can go to another cg but why should I? I find it absolutely laughable that so many who camp want privacy yet choose a cg where they KNOW sites are close together. It's like having a baby and being shocked when the diapers stink!

If that person paid the revenue that would be obtained from serving others at those tables, what's the problem?

Same as above. Your actions are precluding me from enjoying myself at that restaurant. The fact that the restaurant closes periodically is irrelevant-that's to be expected from any business and it shuts out everybody, not just me. You buying all tables shuts out many but you still benefit. That's where the unfairness comes in.

[colliehauler]

PRodacy wrote:

Crowe wrote:
would use the restaurant analogy of reserving all the tables around you and when someone comes in to find a table, the host says, "sorry, no room".

Thanks, that was a much better analogy. And the "taking up 2 parking spots" one. At least there's a few around here who understand!

If that person paid the revenue that would be obtained from serving others at those tables, what's the problem? Often, and especially around Holidays, you'll see signs in restaurants saying that they'll be closed to the public due to a private party being held there. First come, first served.

Of course, I may be a little biased since most of the places we camp are never very busy and everyone has more than enough room.

I think it's more of a problem in high population density areas. I have been to a state campground where the camp host and I were the only occupants. We would have coffee of a morning.

I'm to thrifty to purchase 2 sites.;)

[PRodacy]

Crowe wrote:
would use the restaurant analogy of reserving all the tables around you and when someone comes in to find a table, the host says, "sorry, no room".

Thanks, that was a much better analogy. And the "taking up 2 parking spots" one. At least there's a few around here who understand!

If that person paid the revenue that would be obtained from serving others at those tables, what's the problem? Often, and especially around Holidays, you'll see signs in restaurants saying that they'll be closed to the public due to a private party being held there. First come, first served.

Of course, I may be a little biased since most of the places we camp are never very busy and everyone has more than enough room.

[LarryJM]

Crowe wrote:
would use the restaurant analogy of reserving all the tables around you and when someone comes in to find a table, the host says, "sorry, no room".

Thanks, that was a much better analogy. And the "taking up 2 parking spots" one. At least there's a few around here who understand!

IMO those are both terrible analogies since unlike a CG site that you pay for neither of those are revenue generators unless say for the restaurant table you have to pay either a penalty if you don't actually use it. Likewise parking spaces are marked for individual cars and there is no cost associated for using them. Just try that in say a paid parking garage and you just might find your vehicle towed and a finanical penalty in towing/impound imposed. I would bet the majority of CGs would love multiple site reservations that you pay for and don't use since those will have a higher profit margin due to lack of services needed at that site. Also, I think you will find that for those CGs where they are usually at maximum they will pre charge for reservations and many are not not refundable so this multiple site issue and somehow not paying and hoping it stays vacant if that is what you are hoping for has been neutralized by appropriate CG policies.

Larry

[BubbaChris]

LOL - so many people here are strongly debating scenarios they're inventing for the purpose of their point of view. Which can be the right approach if you're truly answering the question of "would you?"

The OP has repeatedly pointed out the CG where he does this is likely to be quite empty when he camps - he says he only reserves the 2nd spot if when he calls on Wednesday the park is more than 50% empty.

What any campground (or even hotel) is offering is a perishable resource. 1 spot/room for 1 specific night. If they don't rent the space for a night, it is permanently unsold. In a commercial setting (hotels), they base their fees/rates on an occupancy rate average and look at their $$$ from a quarter/year perspective for the entire facility. I used to manage a with similar perishable offerings and it was a PITA.

In a state park, they use very different metrics to set their prices. So if the OP is paying for a second spot that would very, very, very likely go unsold otherwise he is actually helping to minimize future price increases (or worse yet, park closures).

[Crowe]

would use the restaurant analogy of reserving all the tables around you and when someone comes in to find a table, the host says, "sorry, no room".

Thanks, that was a much better analogy. And the "taking up 2 parking spots" one. At least there's a few around here who understand!

[mich800]

korbe wrote:

PRodacy wrote:

Crowe wrote:
It's all about "me", isn't it?

Wasting your breath. These people don't see themselves that way.

Good analogy Larry. If you want to have two campsites or an oversize steak and you can pay for it then it is your right to do that.

Not even close to a good analogy. You need to take a class in Economics 101 and learn the laws of supply and demand. Someone eating the 16 ounce steak doesn't take a steak away from someone wanting an 8 ounce steak because the restaurant has adequate supply of both. Not so in a campground. It's obvious some of you will do whatever it takes to try and justify your selfishness. Your mamas would be embarrassed. Makes me miss camping a lot less-I've had far less issues in hot els than I've had in campgrounds.

Have to agree with Larry. Crowe, by your way of thinking, everyone should also get rid of their big rigs and use small trailers ( maybe a teardrop trailer) so that more people would fit in a campground. Having a MH or 5er takes up more room than you need and denies others camping spots. That's just being selfish!

I would use the restaurant analogy of reserving all the tables around you and when someone comes in to find a table, the host says, "sorry, no room".

That is a very good analogy and the reason why most public campgrounds have the "you must occupy your site" policy. Private is much different. Their only motivation is profit, where a public facility must balance their operating budget and the benefit or access to all.

[davosfam]

Would all of you campers please stay home every weekend so campsites are available for me to camp? You are denying me the right to a campsite. 😉