Tariffs trip up the all-American RV industry

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Tariffs trip up the all-American RV industry

[tomman58]

Charlie D. wrote:

tomman58 wrote:
Stats are stats:
Americans in their 20s: $16,000
Americans in their 30s: $45,000
Americans in their 40s: $63,000
Americans in their 50s: $117,000
Americans in their 60s: $172,000

I don't care what you did or are doing these numbers represent America and they suck add to it the game of tariffs and other economic nightmares and younger types are pretty much screwed as a whole.

Younger types? I don't see that. what I do see is younger people, not all, with the "I want it and I want it now and must have the latest and greatest gadget and expensive vehicles and homes they can't afford." Little regard for savings and the future and a paycheck or two away from disaster. Heck, I see people using EBT, CHIP and other government programs with Apple IPhones. The budget deficit and government debt is unsustainable as is personal debt for millions of our citizens.

You seem like a person that immediately judges others not knowing the "what and why" A lot of folks have things before they lose a job and need assistance. Secondly the "I want it and I want it now " generation are our kids..kids. So bottom line reap what you sow.

[FlatBroke]

I chose to receive my SS early because you never know the future. Now I’ve reached the age of the full SS amount I wish I would have waited. My choice, my problem. EVERONE has life choices to make. Make the right one or the wrong one you are responsible for that choice.

[troubledwaters]

free radical wrote:
...now who determines what is Fair

Example
US farmers receive 20 bilion in subsidies from the Gov.

Canadian farmers get 0$

Is that fair competition?

Canadian Farmers got $5.0 billion in subsidies from the government among other protections such as the dairy and poultry quotas, guaranteed loans, etc. Clicky (Sec C page 4)

[Lynnmor]

westernrvparkowner wrote:
On a personal note, I think I provide more "wealth" to the US by providing a quality recreation experience than I would if I converted my park to a factory that built plastic bobblehead toys to be sold in a Dollar Store. Surely a doctor contributes more to the wealth of this nation than he would if he was relegated to hand painting cheap plastic Christmas ornaments. To imply that anyone who is not directly involved in manufacturing is somehow no valuable to the economy is mistaken.

No need to put words in my mouth. Dismissing those that actually produce wealth has caused this nation to become so deeply in debt that it may never recover. Bobbleheads and Christmas ornaments, huh, get a clue.

[free_radical]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
" the USA has been the whipping boy of the world long enough. the goal should be free trade across all borders...let the best product win."

YUP just add FAIR TRADE instead of free trade.

Good idea,,
now who determines what is Fair

Example
US farmers receive 20 bilion in subsidies from the Gov.

Canadian farmers get 0$

Is that fair competition?

[ol_Bombero-JC]

gemsworld wrote:
Tariffs trip up the all-American RV industry

YIKES !!

Next "someone" will want to pay the piece workers an hourly wage, which will further trip up the *all-American RV Industry* due to additional cost increases.

:R
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[westernrvparkow]

Lynnmor wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:
Millions of pensioners are retired autoworkers, steelworkers, teachers and the like. Others are first responders who create a safe environment for society. Are you going to argue that a paramedic who saves the life of one of those people who "use their own two hands to make things" didn't contribute to the wealth you claim only they can create? You are just going to dismiss the education that handworker received that allowed them to learn their craft as not valuable?

The point is that we would not have the luxury of all those services unless people create wealth. Passing money back and forth between each other has no net gain, someone actually needs to produce something. This thread started about tariffs which are used to protect the wealth creators in this country. You can argue about how well they might work, but one thing for sure is offshoring production will dump our wealth into another country. Those that receive their income from sources such as taxes have a better lifestyle by buying cheaper worldwide and those that are/were in the production of goods in this country, not so much.

The US is the unquestioned leader in technology. It is now the largest producer of oil, thanks to our shale oil reserves and the new methods of extraction developed in the US. The US is ranks 2nd to China in manufacturing (3rd if you consider the entire European Union as one entity, and with Brexit the US would be an undisputed 2nd). The US is a leading producer of agricultural products and is the world's largest exporter of agricultural products by a large margin.
I would also argue that services contribute to the wealth of a nation. For example, the US is the top destination for foreign tourist visitations. Those visits produce no products, but unquestionably add to the economy (an estimated $250 Billion in 2017, accounting for nearly 3% of our total GDP) On a personal note, I think I provide more "wealth" to the US by providing a quality recreation experience than I would if I converted my park to a factory that built plastic bobblehead toys to be sold in a Dollar Store. Surely a doctor contributes more to the wealth of this nation than he would if he was relegated to hand painting cheap plastic Christmas ornaments. To imply that anyone who is not directly involved in manufacturing is somehow no valuable to the economy is mistaken.

[Lynnmor]

westernrvparkowner wrote:
Millions of pensioners are retired autoworkers, steelworkers, teachers and the like. Others are first responders who create a safe environment for society. Are you going to argue that a paramedic who saves the life of one of those people who "use their own two hands to make things" didn't contribute to the wealth you claim only they can create? You are just going to dismiss the education that handworker received that allowed them to learn their craft as not valuable?

The point is that we would not have the luxury of all those services unless people create wealth. Passing money back and forth between each other has no net gain, someone actually needs to produce something. This thread started about tariffs which are used to protect the wealth creators in this country. You can argue about how well they might work, but one thing for sure is offshoring production will dump our wealth into another country. Those that receive their income from sources such as taxes have a better lifestyle by buying cheaper worldwide and those that are/were in the production of goods in this country, not so much.

[Cummins12V98]

" the USA has been the whipping boy of the world long enough. the goal should be free trade across all borders...let the best product win."

YUP just add FAIR TRADE instead of free trade.

[westernrvparkow]

Lynnmor wrote:

troubledwaters wrote:

Lynnmor wrote:
Seems like the majority on this forum have some kind of govt income beyond the mandatory Social Security and Medicare. Those that don't have incomes that come from the creation of wealth would be opposed to tariffs that reduce their guaranteed income buying power.

What is "incomes that come from the creation of wealth"?
What is "guaranteed income buying power"?
:h

Did you know that there are a few people that actually use their own two hands to make things, thus creating wealth?

Do you know people that get a pension, never created wealth and may only care about their own purchasing power regardless where that wealth was created?

Millions of pensioners are retired autoworkers, steelworkers, teachers and the like. Others are first responders who create a safe environment for society. Are you going to argue that a paramedic who saves the life of one of those people who "use their own two hands to make things" didn't contribute to the wealth you claim only they can create? You are just going to dismiss the education that handworker received that allowed them to learn their craft as not valuable?
We may very well joke about the value of the contribution of professions like lawyers, DMV employees and so on, but they are actually a necessary part of any economy. I would venture to say that virtually anyone who is or was employed has contributed to the wealth of the country. You don't have to personally build widgets to be a contributor.

[westernrvparkow]

tomman58 wrote:
Stats are stats:
Americans in their 20s: $16,000
Americans in their 30s: $45,000
Americans in their 40s: $63,000
Americans in their 50s: $117,000
Americans in their 60s: $172,000

I don't care what you did or are doing these numbers represent America and they suck add to it the game of tariffs and other economic nightmares and younger types are pretty much screwed as a whole.

As people get older, they accumulate more wealth. What did you expect to happen. A person in their 20s are just beginning their career and their earnings. They will have a need to accumulate many rapidly depreciating items. They have to get a car, they have to buy furniture, they are funding their education.
A person in their 60s has a lifetime of earnings a part of which should have gone towards retirement savings. At a certain point in time they will begin to use that savings as part of their retirement spending. Other than the fact that the vast majority of those in their 50s and 60s probably wish they had paid more attention to retirement savings, your stats are exactly what one should expect in a functioning economy.

[Lynnmor]

troubledwaters wrote:

Lynnmor wrote:
Seems like the majority on this forum have some kind of govt income beyond the mandatory Social Security and Medicare. Those that don't have incomes that come from the creation of wealth would be opposed to tariffs that reduce their guaranteed income buying power.

What is "incomes that come from the creation of wealth"?
What is "guaranteed income buying power"?
:h

Did you know that there are a few people that actually use their own two hands to make things, thus creating wealth?

Do you know people that get a pension, never created wealth and may only care about their own purchasing power regardless where that wealth was created?

[TomG2]

rk911 wrote:

absolutely. grasshoppers or ants.

Having been both, my years as a drone did more for my retirement than my hard work in the private sector. I did okay, but find this to be a sad situation. I used to buy a new Cadillac every year. For my boss.

[rk911]

troubledwaters wrote:

tomman58 wrote:
Stats are stats:
Americans in their 20s: $16,000
Americans in their 30s: $45,000
Americans in their 40s: $63,000
Americans in their 50s: $117,000
Americans in their 60s: $172,000

I don't care what you did or are doing these numbers represent America and they suck add to it the game of tariffs and other economic nightmares and younger types are pretty much screwed as a whole.

People young and old alike get to make their own choices in life. They can choose to save for retirement or choose to spend their money on whatever they want. So if they have to work until they die then I guess they learn their lesson the hard way. Their Choice, Their Life.

absolutely. grasshoppers or ants.

[rk911]

Lynnmor wrote:

TomG2 wrote:

That is the secret ingredient. If we all could get govt jobs with govt pensions, we could all buy RV's.

Seems like the majority on this forum have some kind of govt income beyond the mandatory Social Security and Medicare. Those that don't have incomes that come from the creation of wealth would be opposed to tariffs that reduce their guaranteed income buying power.

wait a sec. you're saying that those who receive a govt pension should be opposed to the tariffs? if that's the case I'm one who receives a very modest govt pension who is also in favor of the tariffs. the USA has been the whipping boy of the world long enough. the goal should be free trade across all borders...let the best product win.