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Term life insurance from Old (Group Plan) to Private Policy

boston_blacky
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Hope you can advise me on this item. Last week, my long term Group Plan shifted gears because I moved into a new (older) age category; i.e. 70 plus.

So, I'm shopping around to find a Canadian Ins. Company who'll provide me with a 10 yr. Term Life Policy as my old group plan stopped (automatically) with my last B-Day. Ouch - did not see it coming. FYI, non-smoker with no health issues except hbp controled with meds. Approx. value/amount $100k. Tkx. in advance. :h
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boston_blacky
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Lite'n America or I'll give Earl Pitts a call to get his advice! lol
p.s. Tkx. for all the tips, anyhoooo. BB
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Gdetrailer
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1968mooney wrote:
Gdetrailer wrote:
boston blacky wrote:
Now I'm sorry I asked. Have a good day. BB


Sorry that you feel this way, just seems to be pretty odd when someone at age 70 or above is wanting to buy life insurance. You should be well past the stage of needing it..

Yeah, not having a "life ring" may sound odd, but in reality if you have no debt, there is no need to pay for life insurance.

The idea of life insurance is to cover your spouse/family when you have outstanding loans/debt at the time of your death..

It should not be treated as a "savings account" or as a way to bolster your estate for your loved ones at the time of your death.. Just costs too much money to do that over time..

Yeah, folks do, but in reality, the insurance co WILL make more money than what they will ever pay out..


So you think the Co. will always come out ahead. Do you not realize people die from events other than old age. I sold Life Ins. for 21 yrs. We sold a policy once to a man. Premium was $15.00 for a $100,000 policy. He was killed 3 weeks after purchasing the policy so our Co. paid the $100,000. The reason for such high premiums at 70 yrs.old is the odds are aganist the Co. of making money.


:R

You have drank too much insurance koolaid..

Do you not realize that any insurance company like any other "company" MUST make a profit?

They are not a "charity", they do not just hand out money just to be nice, they do not operate in the red. They are there to MAKE money not lose money.

When you were an insurance salesman, did YOU work for nothing or better yet, pay out of YOUR pocket to the policy holder?

I doubt it, you didn't work for free.

No, you DEMANDED to get paid for selling that insurance.

The example you gave is not an ordinary event and insurance companies have already take into account that they WILL "payout" early on SOME policies.

Insurance companies are BETTING that they WILL take in MORE than they payout, if they don't, they WILL go out of business.

So, how does this work?

Simple, they take in money through MANY policies sold (this SPREADS OUT THE RISK over hundreds of thousands of policies), they pay the agent a percentage, they pay the bills for offices, office workers, advertising and the CEO/board members. The leftover money is then INVESTED in many other financial institutions like stocks, bonds, money market, real estate and so on.. Pretty much anywhere they think that can make a profit..

You as an "agent, got peanuts for selling a policy and the CEO/board members make a killing with huge salaries and benefits in the process and yet there is money leftover to payout claims and still show a profit..

Per HERE

and I quote "The insurance industry's net margin in 2017 ranged between 3 and 10.5%. Life insurance had the widest range between quarters, from 3% to 9.6%; property and casualty insurance were at 3% to 8%; and health insurance had the narrowest range of 4% to 5.25%. The net margin for insurance brokerages in 2017 was higher than that of the insurance industry overall, at 9.27% to 10.5%."

So, in 2017 Life Insurance companies net profit margins ranged from 3%-9.6% which while it sounds like small potatoes to you it represents BILLIONS of dollars in profits ABOVE the money they took in from selling policies!!

To really put this into perspective, the average non insurance "company" typically operates on 2%-3% net profit margins, you might find some really outstanding companies with perhaps 5% net profit margins but those are few and far between..

Pretty darn good money those insurance companies are making.

Pretty much lumps them into the same category as a Casino, Casinos are betting that they will take in more money than what they payout..

1968mooney
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Gdetrailer wrote:
boston blacky wrote:
Now I'm sorry I asked. Have a good day. BB


Sorry that you feel this way, just seems to be pretty odd when someone at age 70 or above is wanting to buy life insurance. You should be well past the stage of needing it..

Yeah, not having a "life ring" may sound odd, but in reality if you have no debt, there is no need to pay for life insurance.

The idea of life insurance is to cover your spouse/family when you have outstanding loans/debt at the time of your death..

It should not be treated as a "savings account" or as a way to bolster your estate for your loved ones at the time of your death.. Just costs too much money to do that over time..

Yeah, folks do, but in reality, the insurance co WILL make more money than what they will ever pay out..


So you think the Co. will always come out ahead. Do you not realize people die from events other than old age. I sold Life Ins. for 21 yrs. We sold a policy once to a man. Premium was $15.00 for a $100,000 policy. He was killed 3 weeks after purchasing the policy so our Co. paid the $100,000. The reason for such high premiums at 70 yrs.old is the odds are aganist the Co. of making money.

Gdetrailer
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boston blacky wrote:
Now I'm sorry I asked. Have a good day. BB


Sorry that you feel this way, just seems to be pretty odd when someone at age 70 or above is wanting to buy life insurance. You should be well past the stage of needing it..

Yeah, not having a "life ring" may sound odd, but in reality if you have no debt, there is no need to pay for life insurance.

The idea of life insurance is to cover your spouse/family when you have outstanding loans/debt at the time of your death..

It should not be treated as a "savings account" or as a way to bolster your estate for your loved ones at the time of your death.. Just costs too much money to do that over time..

Yeah, folks do, but in reality, the insurance co WILL make more money than what they will ever pay out..

Gdetrailer
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troubledwaters wrote:
1968mooney wrote:
Just remember, when you purchase Life Ins. you are betting you will die while the policy is inforce. The Ins. Co. is betting you will live.
I buy life insurance to ensure that my family will still be able to pay the bills, house and feed themselves if something unexpected should to happen to me. Others may be wealthy and not have to worry about the unexpected. Still others may not care what happens to their family if something unexpected happens. No one size fits all answer.

I don't consider it as someone winning or losing, I consider it as risk assessment and avoidance (covering all bets).


OK, well, are your kids going to be living in your household when you are 70?

I doubt it or at least hope not.

Are your kids going to need YOU to pay their bills, house and feed them when you are 70?

I doubt it or at least hope not..

When you are 70 there will not be much left of of your "family" that will need YOUR "assistance"..

Perhaps your spouse but not kids, your kids by then SHOULD BE FINANCIALLY INDEPENDENT OF YOU, if they are not, there IS something wrong..

But even your spouse should never "need" your $100K insurance policy if YOU AND SPOUSE have done things right financially by age 70.

Life insurance IS NOT MANDATORY provided you do not have outstanding mortgages, loans, liens that are not paid off and you do not have the savings to cover those loans or debts..

I would hope that by age 70, most people should have very little if any debt to deal with.. If you do, you HAVE done something wrong..

And before folks decide to cash bash me, YES, it takes work and YES it takes effort, and YES, it takes a BUDGET but IT CAN BE DONE.. But too many people simply don't want to quit keeping up with the "Jones".

ANYONE CAN DO IT IF THEY WANT TO, most don't because they feel they have to "give up" on the things they desire and are not willing to listen.

maddog348
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Be sure you are clear on what type of ins paying for. Friend of mines Mother paid $$$$$$$$$$$$$ for years on LifeIns when she passed illness in hospital family found it was an AccidentalDeathLifeIns policy. All that Money paid out for nought. JM2ยข YMMV

johnwalkerpa1
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I am not familiar with how insurance works in Canada, but in the US it is almost impossible to get term insurance if you are over age 70. And, in the rare case you can, it is ridiculously expensive for a very small amount.

But, unless you have dependents or need to replace income for some reason, IMHO, there is little need to have life insurance in retirement.

FunnyCamper
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boston blacky wrote:
Now I'm sorry I asked. Have a good day. BB

I feel bad it came to this for you on this thread. You have every right to ask about it cause other's have hit the same troubles while we change over into rv lifestyles and hit the same hurdles.

I hope it all works out best for you. Call your most favored institution and chat with them. You will get some quotes and just find the best that suits your needs.

DownTheAvenue
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1968mooney wrote:
Just remember, when you purchase Life Ins. you are betting you will die while the policy is inforce. The Ins. Co. is betting you will live.


This can be said about any insurance product. Have collision insurance on your vehicle? You are betting you will have an at fault accident, the insurance company is betting you will not. Have homeowner's insurance? You are betting your house will burn down. The insurance company is betting it will not. You get the point!

troubledwaters
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1968mooney wrote:
Just remember, when you purchase Life Ins. you are betting you will die while the policy is inforce. The Ins. Co. is betting you will live.
I buy life insurance to ensure that my family will still be able to pay the bills, house and feed themselves if something unexpected should to happen to me. Others may be wealthy and not have to worry about the unexpected. Still others may not care what happens to their family if something unexpected happens. No one size fits all answer.

I don't consider it as someone winning or losing, I consider it as risk assessment and avoidance (covering all bets).

boston_blacky
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Now I'm sorry I asked. Have a good day. BB
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Dtank
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Q #1. Why do you want life ins (now)?

Q #2. Why -or- how is this a "General RVing Issue"..:h

1968mooney
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Just remember, when you purchase Life Ins. you are betting you will die while the policy is inforce. The Ins. Co. is betting you will live.

FunnyCamper
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Seon wrote:
My term life insurance expires in 1-1/2yrs from now. I rolled the dice and hope to win that I'll still be alive, if not then the wife wins :B.
THIS IS JUST TOO FUNNY!
I thought this when hubby was on the road to semi retiring...it was like, hmm, if he is to croak after ALL these years of life ins. in play, it best be NOW....but we both went into the non-life insurance stage together now HAHA---as I am sure you guys will ๐Ÿ™‚