Would you change the oil?
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Nov-10-2014 10:06 AM
So here is my question. I had the dealer change my oil etc at about 4700 miles ( I am getting better 🙂 ). There was a trip to the Keys in there, about 1800 miles towing.
Now I am at 9900 miles, truck says I have 39% left on oil before change. We are headed back to the Keys next month and will likely put on 2000 miles or so on the trip. I think I am going for peace of mind and getting the oil changed before the trip rather than after. Also, about time for tire rotation. Dealer sent me a coupon for 39.95 for oil change, rotation, and check up. I hate to waste oil and money but think I will go for it.
BTW truck has performed flawlessly so far.
Not trying to stir the pot just curious about any opinions?
Thanks TR
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Nov-21-2014 07:58 AM
the money spent on an oil analysis is better spent on the cost of the oil/filter
itself
$28 bucks is the most common cost for Blackstone
Get to know 'your' vehicle. So that you know when it is in need
Plus, IMHO, it is NOT hard and fast to change it on a schedule...though it is
a guide for the MAXIMUM mileage/time to change
Think about this: "why does oil change color over time?"
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Nov-19-2014 09:01 AM
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Nov-19-2014 08:53 AM
The 8.1 uses about a quart every 3000 miles, so I never had to add any, because by the time it was a quart low it was time to change it. Now I wind up having to add a quart between changes.
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Nov-17-2014 07:53 AM
MAXIMUM
interval'Recommendations' from any OEM is really more than a recommendation, as to go
beyond that would leave potential for warranty issues/denial/etc
Folks who have never opened up an engine for any reason have never seen nor
understand that engine oil ages...thickens...additive package consumed, etc
Thickens to loose lubrication abilities
1996 GMC SLT Suburban 3/4 ton K3500/7.4L/4:1/+150Kmiles orig owner...
1980 Chevy Silverado C10/long bed/"BUILT" 5.7L/3:73/1 ton helper springs/+329Kmiles, bought it from dad...
1998 Mazda B2500 (1/2 ton) pickup, 2nd owner...
Praise Dyno Brake equiped and all have "nose bleed" braking!
Previous trucks/offroaders: 40's Jeep restored in mid 60's / 69 DuneBuggy (approx +1K lb: VW pan/200hpCorvair: eng, cam, dual carb'w velocity stacks'n 18" runners, 4spd transaxle) made myself from ground up / 1970 Toyota FJ40 / 1973 K5 Blazer (2dr Tahoe, 1 ton axles front/rear, +255K miles when sold it)...
Sold the boat (looking for another): Trophy with twin 150's...
51 cylinders in household, what's yours?...
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Nov-17-2014 06:47 AM
IMO the chain stretch is a design issue more than the interval of changing the oil.
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Nov-17-2014 03:44 AM
smkettner wrote:Canadianxplorer wrote:Help me understand how extended oil changes stretch a timing chain?
We are starting to see engine wear and failures, especially in regards to the timing chain stretch.
Simple, as the oil ages it breaks down. as it breaks down it`s protection decreases. this is what can harm a motor with a possible issue.
Change the oil sooner! it`s well worth it. I`ve also seen motors that have known issues, but the people that change the oil more frequently never see the problem!
Again, change the oil! The manuf doesn`t have any stake in the motor once it`s out of warranty!
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Nov-16-2014 09:13 PM
smkettner wrote:Canadianxplorer wrote:Help me understand how extended oil changes stretch a timing chain?
We are starting to see engine wear and failures, especially in regards to the timing chain stretch.
I don't read it as saying the oil has anything to do with the timing
chain stretch...just an added tidbit on this architecture. I thank him
for adding germane information to the discussion
It is you, smkiettner making that connection. Easy to see, as this
thread started out as engine oil change or not
This goes to another thread about small displacement forced fed vs
larger displacement with variable displacement. Both have similar
power curves and MPG. One is highly stressed and the other not
Turbo small displacement - displacement on demand- a winner?
Timing chain stretch, IIRC, is from over rev'ing and high throttle
settings (high rates of change) vs the sizing of the chain. They do
stretch over time, but from what Canadian said...think shorter time
than normal
For a timing chain to cause problems in such a short milage period is
something to keep an eye on. Wonder if there is enough room to put
in a larger chain (one more row). Hardened dowel or keyed?
To date, it appears that Ford did a decent job in beefing up the
various components and mitigation stuff (engine oil spray up towards
piston bottoms, etc)
Below quote is Canadianxplorer's complete post
Canadianxplorer wrote:
Hey everyone,
I am a ford Tech and have been for 24+years. I am replying to this topic because the OP has an Ecoboost. I have a 2012 Ecoboost and I change my oil too often, but that is just my preference and they way I have always treated my vehicles. I also change trans, diff, transfer case fluid, spark plugs and all the other stuff too soon.
The OLM is a convenience for the customer but now that ecoboosts are starting to see more miles/kms, I have some concerns.
We are starting to see engine wear and failures, especially in regards to the timing chain stretch. Most of the vehicles that are having problems in these areas also have been following the OLM and changing there oil every 16,000 to 20,000kms(10,000miles to 12,500miles roughly). Many of these vehicles are still under warranty coverage and that oil change interval as directed by the OLM is acceptable and I have not seen warranty denied because of it.
I just think this engine needs more frequent service. I keep my vehicles usually 10 years so yes I do over maintain them.
I think for the ecoboost a 5000 or 6000 mile oil change interval is better.
Some of this may be related to Canadian weather, but not sure about that.
Also, before anyone posts "I did 25,000mile oil changes and everything is great!" I am posting what I see often, longer oil change intervals on an ecoboost, seem to lead to more long term wear and problems, some before warranty runs out, some after.
Just wanted to put this out there
Thanks for reading
1996 GMC SLT Suburban 3/4 ton K3500/7.4L/4:1/+150Kmiles orig owner...
1980 Chevy Silverado C10/long bed/"BUILT" 5.7L/3:73/1 ton helper springs/+329Kmiles, bought it from dad...
1998 Mazda B2500 (1/2 ton) pickup, 2nd owner...
Praise Dyno Brake equiped and all have "nose bleed" braking!
Previous trucks/offroaders: 40's Jeep restored in mid 60's / 69 DuneBuggy (approx +1K lb: VW pan/200hpCorvair: eng, cam, dual carb'w velocity stacks'n 18" runners, 4spd transaxle) made myself from ground up / 1970 Toyota FJ40 / 1973 K5 Blazer (2dr Tahoe, 1 ton axles front/rear, +255K miles when sold it)...
Sold the boat (looking for another): Trophy with twin 150's...
51 cylinders in household, what's yours?...
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Nov-16-2014 06:21 PM
Canadianxplorer wrote:Help me understand how extended oil changes stretch a timing chain?
We are starting to see engine wear and failures, especially in regards to the timing chain stretch.
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Nov-15-2014 06:47 PM
I am a ford Tech and have been for 24+years. I am replying to this topic because the OP has an Ecoboost. I have a 2012 Ecoboost and I change my oil too often, but that is just my preference and they way I have always treated my vehicles. I also change trans, diff, transfer case fluid, spark plugs and all the other stuff too soon.
The OLM is a convenience for the customer but now that ecoboosts are starting to see more miles/kms, I have some concerns.
We are starting to see engine wear and failures, especially in regards to the timing chain stretch. Most of the vehicles that are having problems in these areas also have been following the OLM and changing there oil every 16,000 to 20,000kms(10,000miles to 12,500miles roughly). Many of these vehicles are still under warranty coverage and that oil change interval as directed by the OLM is acceptable and I have not seen warranty denied because of it.
I just think this engine needs more frequent service. I keep my vehicles usually 10 years so yes I do over maintain them.
I think for the ecoboost a 5000 or 6000 mile oil change interval is better.
Some of this may be related to Canadian weather, but not sure about that.
Also, before anyone posts "I did 25,000mile oil changes and everything is great!" I am posting what I see often, longer oil change intervals on an ecoboost, seem to lead to more long term wear and problems, some before warranty runs out, some after.
Just wanted to put this out there
Thanks for reading
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Nov-15-2014 04:16 PM
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Nov-14-2014 04:07 PM
This is the mileage point that I feel comfortable at, plus I do alot of city stop/go driving which I think most manufactures consider severe duty.
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Nov-14-2014 06:50 AM