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Dometic Refer Recall - Possible Fire Hazard -Update 2/13/07

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Update Number 1 Nov 23, 2006
Update Number 2 Dec 5, 2006
Update Number 3 Jan 10, 2007
Update Number 4 Jan 19, 2007 - Recall Instructions - click here: Dometic Recall You need your model and serial numbers.
Update Number 5 Feb 13, 2007 - Added links to new info on the NHTSA website including the info/form for claiming reimbursement for a failure. These are at the end of the post below where all the updates are posted.

Also, edited the below Recall to include the change made prior to the Dec 5 update showing the proposed remedy.

Below is information from the NHTSA website on a recall of certain Dometic refrigerators. This recall is in its very early stages, and there is no resolution in place as of Nov 1, 2006.

From the NHTSA website:

Dometic Recall NHTSA Campaign ID 06E076000

Make / Models : Model/Build Years:
DOMETIC / NDR1062 9999
DOMETIC / RM2652 9999
DOMETIC / RM2662 9999
DOMETIC / RM2663 9999
DOMETIC / RM2852 9999
DOMETIC / RM2862 9999
DOMETIC / RM3662 9999
DOMETIC / RM3663 9999
DOMETIC / RM3862 9999
DOMETIC / RM3863 9999

Manufacturer : DOMETIC CORPORATION

NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 06E076000 Mfg's Report Date : AUG 28, 2006

Component: EQUIPMENT: RECREATIONAL VEHICLE

Potential Number Of Units Affected : 926877

Summary:
CERTAIN DOMETIC TWO-DOOR REFRIGERATORS MANUFACTURED BETWEEN APRIL 1997 AND MAY 2003: SERIAL NOS.
713XXXXX THROUGH 752XXXXX;
801XXXXX THROUGH 852XXXXX;
901XXXXX THROUGH 952XXXXX;
001XXXXX THROUGH 052XXXXX;
101XXXXX THROUGH 152XXXXX;
201XXXXX THROUGH 252XXXXX;
301XXXXX THROUGH 319XXXXX,
INSTALLED IN CERTAIN RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AS ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT AND SOLD AS AFTERMARKET EQUIPMENT. A FATIGUE CRACK MAY DEVELOP IN THE BOILER TUBE WHICH MAY RELEASE A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF PRESSURIZED COOLANT SOLUTION INTO AN AREA WHERE AN IGNITION SOURCE (GAS FLAME) IS PRESENT.

Consequence:
THE RELEASE OF COOLANT UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS COULD IGNITE AND RESULT IN A FIRE.

Remedy:
THE VEHICLE MANUFACTURERS WILL NOTIFY OWNERS OF RECREATIONAL VEHICLES THAT HAD THE REFRIGERATORS INSTALLED AS ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT AND DOMETIC WILL NOTIFY OWNERS OF THE AFTERMARKET REFRIGERATORS. DOMETIC WILL INSTALL A SECONDARY BURNER HOUSING FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN BETWEEN APRIL AND JUNE 2007. OWNERS MAY CONTACT DOMETIC AT 888-446-5157.

Notes:
CUSTOMERS MAY CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION'S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY: 1-800-424-9153); OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV.

The following is extracted from the notice provided by Dometic to the NHTSA dated 8/26/06:

The potential defect is associated with cooling unit at the back of the refrigeration cabinet.

A fractional percentage of the potentially affected refrigerators have experienced a fatigue crack that may develop in the boiler tube in the area of the weld between the boiler tube and the heater pocket. A fatigue crack may release a sufficient amount of pressurized coolant solution into an area where an ignition source (gas flame) is present. Dometic's investigation has shown that a simulated release of cooling solution (refrigerant) in the area of the boiler, under certain conditions, could be ignited by the presence of an open flame. A boiler fatigue crack with the loss of cooling solution without ignition would result in a non-operational refrigerator that is not a safety issue. Under certain conditions, the released coolant could ignite and result in a fire. In order to have a fire, at a minimum, all of the following conditions must exist:

    1. The refrigerator must be on and normally operating and gas burner must be lit;
    2. 'There must be an oversized heating element in the refrigerator;
    3. The boiler tube must develop a throughway fatigue crack of a
    specific size;
    4. There must be a release of the cooling solution at a rate which will
    allow the accumulation of the cooling solution at a concentration within its range of flammability; and
    5. There must be ignition source (gas flame) present.

If any of these conditions are not present, a release of the cooling solution will not result in a fire.

In April of 1997 Dometic modified the design of the affected refrigerators by increasing the wattage of the heating element from 325 watts to 354 watts. All production of the affected units from April 1997 through May of 2003 utilized the 354 watt heating element. In May of 2003, in order to improve the operating life of the refrigerators, Dometic returned to the use of the 325 watt heating element which it continues to use today. It is now believed that the use of the higher wattage heater contributed to abnormal fatigue in the boiler tube.

The products in question are all refrigerators used in the original manufacture of recreation vehicles or as replacement equipment for recreation vehicles. The total population of refrigerators potentially containing the defect is 926,877. Dometic estimates a potential maximum incident rate of 0.01% related to boiler fatigue cracks that leak and may result in a fire. There have been no incidents of injury or death related to the affected population of Dometic refrigerators.

Dometic became aware of the occurrence of fires which may have involved their products and retained an independent engineering testing laboratory to fully evaluate and investigate any potential defect in their refrigerators which might result in a fire. A number of returned units were analyzed and microscopic fatigue cracks which could release coolant into the area of the burner were identified in the boiler tube metal in the area of the weld between the heater pocket and boiler tube. Tests simulating the cracks were conducted the week of August 18, 2006 and confirmed a possible cause of fire in the refrigerators under certain conditions. These test results prompted the preparation of this notice.

Dometic continues to gather information on the potential defect and will forward additional relevant information as it becomes available.

Dometic has not yet identified a proposed remedy for the potential defect. Dometic will continue a testing program designed to identify and evaluate possible remedies. This evaluation will take place both in the United States and in Sweden. Once a remedy has been identified, Dometic will initiate or participate in a remedy campaign initiated by the original equipment manufacturers and aftermarket suppliers who have purchased, sold, and distributed these products. A list of original equipment manufacturers and aftermarket suppliers to whom Dometic has sold the potentially defective refrigerators is being prepared and will be provided to the NHTSA upon its
completion.

The following is extracted from the NHTSA response on 9/18/06:

Please provide the following additional information and be reminded of the following requirements:
    Dometic must provide an estimated dealer notification date as well as an owner notification date including the day, month, and year. You are required to submit a draft owner notification letter to this office no less than five days prior to mailing it to the customers. Also, copies of all notices, bulletins, dealer notifications, and other communications that relate to this recall, including a copy of the final owner notification letter and any subsequent owner follow-up notification letter(s), are required to be submitted to this office no later than 5 days after they are originally sent (if they are sent to more than one manufacturer, distributor, dealer, or purchaser/owner).

    Dometic must file a sample of the envelope which you intend to use to mail the recall notice to owners. The words "SAFETY", "RECALL", "NOTICE" in any order must be printed on the envelope in larger font than the customers name and address.
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Irelands child wrote:
I received my so called "packet" on Friday - which told me absolutely nothing more then what I already knew.

Love them thar lawyers -

EXACTLY....and I was told that the folks asnwering the phones are not Dometic emplyees, but are emplyees of a contractor hired to do this "exercise". While they are sweet to talk to on the phone they do not have all of the info and are only doing what they have been told and paid to do.
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I received my so called "packet" on Friday - which told me absolutely nothing more then what I already knew.

Love them thar lawyers -

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CDK wrote:
. . . I am wondering about the Dometic phone jockeys. . .

Me, too.

I called three weeks ago and they said they would send me the packet of info. Haven't seen it, yet. It's probably time to follow up.
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timsrv wrote:
I'm beginning to wonder if liability is their only concern. Who cares how many fail as long as they eliminate the big claims of fire and personal injury? Someone please correct me if I'm speaking out of turn, but based on the information they've made available thus far, this is the only logical conclusion I can come to. Starting to sound like their lawyers and bean counters are calling all the shots. Tim
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If they had not got caught do you think we would be even reading about the failures? The failures started a long time ago.
I am wondering about the Dometic phone jockeys. One poster says they told him he needs the packet. Another the VIN number. I was told to find an authorized repair station and go for it.:h

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Go and read the threads on Norcold.

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timsrv wrote:
Starting to sound like their lawyers and bean counters are calling all the shots. Tim

That's been my take all along.

... Eric

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WilleyB wrote:


:B Let's see now, I think I'm beginning to understand doublespeak :W



You need to re-read some posts carefully because you are missing the stated point completely.
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I'm beginning to wonder if liability is their only concern. Who cares how many fail as long as they eliminate the big claims of fire and personal injury? Someone please correct me if I'm speaking out of turn, but based on the information they've made available thus far, this is the only logical conclusion I can come to. Starting to sound like their lawyers and bean counters are calling all the shots. Tim

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J Walker wrote:
Dometic customer service says that even 378 W is within the acceptable range and that the propane presents the greater heat input,


:B Let's see now, I think I'm beginning to understand doublespeak :W

A little recap, the recall is because Dometic installed 354w heaters in a lot of refrigerators but 375w is within tolerance absolutely amazing :h
Refrigerators that have the 325w element and operate on either AC or propane have no heat problems, but if a reefer that has been operated with a 354w element the propane operation presents a greater heat input :? Truthfully I'd think it was more of a safety factor considering no one is sure of the condition of the boilers in their rigs. Because of that fact alone, and with regard to preventing fire, there's no doubt in my mind that the safest bet would be to use electrical heating exclusively until the modification is completed. Bear in mind, without changing the element you will definitely taking a chance on further damage to the unit. Just another opinion :W

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Claude B wrote:
I also have ordered a replacement element from RV Mobile as a precaution.


Balvert, we both are from Canada and I too will replace my heating element as precaution. Do you know what are the duty or customs fees to import the element from the USA ? I did check with my RV dealer near home and the cost is $80 cdn. And BTW, they already know about the recall.


On 30 dollars US I doubt they will even bother you for duty and taxes. I am picking mine up while I am on vacation down south next month. Had it shipped to a friend I am meeting down there. Hopefully the replacement element will be close to 44 ohms.
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I also have ordered a replacement element from RV Mobile as a precaution.


Balvert, we both are from Canada and I too will replace my heating element as precaution. Do you know what are the duty or customs fees to import the element from the USA ? I did check with my RV dealer near home and the cost is $80 cdn. And BTW, they already know about the recall.
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Just getting the trailer out of storage and checked mine as well. 37.5 ohms with a Fluke although it is only 40 degrees out so at room temperature it may be a bit higher than that. I also have ordered a replacement element from RV Mobile as a precaution. If anyone had takend a resistance measurement of one of the aftermarket elements such as one from RV Mobile, let us know what you found. Casey
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I just removed my electric heater element and measured the resistance to be 38 ohms. Ohms measurements are tricky since at this low resistance meters can be off due to resistance in leads, etc. I see no indications on the heater element about Watts. Anyway, 38 ohms gives me 378 Watts at 120 V and 348 Watts at 115 V. I got nearly the same Watt number at 120 V when making an AC current measurement, so it seems credible. After reading this thread I decided that replacing the heater would be a good precaution, so I have ordered one from RV Mobile as suggest by Chris Bryant. They have one for $30 with the rating of 325 W, 120 V and I hope a measurement shows that it meets that rating. At this point I am glad I have ordered the new heater. Dometic customer service says that even 378 W is within the acceptable range and that the propane presents the greater heat input, but they have nearly a million refrigerators involved and I am sure they don't want to provide a new heater to all of them. If a new heater extends the life of my seven year old Dometic I will be very happy, though I will never know if it did or not.
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Tim wrote:
n April of 1997 Dometic modified the design of the affected refrigerators by increasing the wattage of the heating element from 325 watts to 354 watts. All production of the affected units from April 1997 through May of 2003 utilized the 354 watt heating element.
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Up til now I had assumed new elements would be included in the recall kits, but now I'm not so sure. I'm sorry, but this confuses the hell out of me. Tim

Hi Tim, this is leaving me some what confused also, because if all of the affected units from April 1997 through May of 2003 utilized the 354 watt heating element, then why weren't the elements stamped as such. Mine and some others on the thread are stamped as being " 120v and 325w" not to mention the part number on mine is for a different model.
My own opinion is somebody either in Dometic's employ or the suppliers employ made a boondoggle of a mistake with their decision. Some one either passed or accepted a load of elements that were out of the +/- 10% tolerance. Either way quality control was totally ignored.

Willis

Also the quality of the weld should still be of some concern, it's possible that only a small percentage of boilers have sub standard welding and that Dometic has absolutely no idea of which units they have been installed in. The question to be asked here "is that why they're not replacing the elements?".
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rsg33 wrote:

I realize the recall team is exceedingly busy these days and I considered this as reason for his abruptness. I'll attempt further dialogue when the initial crunch has died down a bit. These people in Elkhart have to field ALL recall related calls, even those from Canada, so I can imagine the chaos they're enduring.

The woman I spoke to yesterday was very helpful and really polite but she certainly wasn't in the loop on the technical stuff other than what she was provided for the recall info. The only 'technical' stuff she provided was the info about shutting off the gas screw valve and only using the unit on electric as well as continuously checking it ... pretty much what is on the Dometic website.

For those trying to call, some info... I tried to call through lunch (March 9th) and kept getting the 'try later' message. I was able to get through around 3:00pm (eastern) and was in a 'music' queue for about 10 minutes; patience is the key. :E

When the call first connects you will get an automated reply; during the reply, push 9 and you will directly to the recall desk and bypass about 3-4 minutes of automated questions and answers.

... Eric