Ethanol Gasoline Emissions Study I SMELL A RAT

[MEXICOWANDERER]

I have been trying to locate a laboratory grade emissions study report listing ANY AND ALL EMISSIONS as given off by the use of 100% gasoline versus various blending percentages of ethanol into gasoline. My searches have been fruitless. All I wish to know is the TYPE of emissions of combustion in quantities of 5 ppm or greater.

Various government reports steer an investigator down blind alleys, diversions, vague untraceable reference links, and unfortunately, bald hyperbole.

I am merely a forensic engineer. I need raw data to assimilate the total perspective of an issue. Not bits of a whole that add up to less than the sum if its parts.

Combustion of alcohol creates unique emissions. In combination with various hydrocarbons and esters, poly-ureas and sulfurs, the potential to end up with nightmarish frankenemissions is formidable.

Can any forum participant point me in the correct direction in which a comprehensive ANALYSIS may be read and studied to determine the effects of hydrocarbon ethanol combustion? Not merely the rote CO, CO2, NOX, litany, but analysis of total combustions emissions?

You can make your own conclusions as to what I am "Driving At"

Exempt, the point of crude oil conservation. This year the USA begins the export of USA light sweet fracturing crude to China.

[SaltiDawg]

Lynnmor wrote:


So you post an advertisement for fuel additives to cure enthanol problems. Then the ad does double-speak calling the problems myths. Please pass the Kool-Aid.

Seems you can't read. Read the Mercury study report... I could care less about the ads at the bottom... if you had any sense, you'd realize that the ads are likely placed by a bot and of course target sites that produce a positive vibe to their product.

Note the link is to mercury.com - not some product's site.

I have my doubts, but hope you can understand what is going on here... :R

Folks claim what Mercury concluded, I post a link to a presentation hat Mercury provides and you attack me because of an Ad or Ads at the bottom of the presentation.

For chrimey sakes.

EDIT: I note "Lynnmor" deleted his post - without an apology for a personal attack based on apparent (redacted.) Lynnmor - search the word on Google.

[Lynnmor]

SaltiDawg wrote:

wa8yxm wrote:
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Likewise Mercury Outboards did a test with E-15 ... This study has been linked to several times in these forums in the past.

NO, E-anything over 5% is bad news. Of this I'm convinced.

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Not to confuse the issue with facts, but

Mercury Outboards - E10 is an acceptable fuel for use in the marine industry

Seemingly lots of politically based or agenda driven unsubstantiated material here.

So you post an advertisement for fuel additives to cure enthanol problems. Then the ad does double-speak calling the problems myths. Please pass the Kool-Aid.

[SaltiDawg]

wa8yxm wrote:
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Likewise Mercury Outboards did a test with E-15 ... This study has been linked to several times in these forums in the past.

NO, E-anything over 5% is bad news. Of this I'm convinced.

...

Not to confuse the issue with facts, but

Mercury Outboards - E10 is an acceptable fuel for use in the marine industry

Seemingly lots of politically based or agenda driven unsubstantiated material here.

[Denny___Jami]

You can say anything you want but you won't change my mind on 10 % corn gas, I've been using it for years in all my play and work trucks(now just play trucks)with no problems. I also use it in my generators, lawn mowers and outboard motor, the last time I had any problems with a generator was with the varnish regular gas left behind. I've also left in our 01 Alero for just short of 2 years with 10% in it, it started right up and ran fine.

Denny
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[wa8yxm]

One of my friends was an insurance man we were talking about no-booze gas.. He mentioned that small engines (Lawn mowers down here, Snow blowers and lawn mowers up north, Roto tillers in both and chain saws) many folks had gone through two or 3 motors due to alcohol in the gas.. (NOTE: I would have thought by now they would have re-designed to burn the c*** but what do I know).

Likewise Mercury Outboards did a test with E-15 as I recall Rane something like 3 pair of engines for 300 hours on both E-0 and E-15.. All but one of the E-15 engines, at the end of the test, showed increased damage from the fuel.. The one remaining E-15 engine failed before the test was over and again, it was due to the effects of the fuel.. This study has been linked to several times in these forums in the past.

NO, E-anything over 5% is bad news. Of this I'm convinced.

And I'm the guy who brought up mr. Pryor's Pyre (And my own I might add).

[Lynnmor]

Each of those large, but low population square states that produce corn and ethanol, "own" two senators. That is a lot of political power dumping on the rest of us. Now we are burning soybeans in our diesels while driving thru beet juice laden with corrosive chemicals.

[bigfootford]

RoyB wrote:
All I know is the rubber membranes in the fuel pumps etc all used to get eat up when the long sitting gasoline turned to turpentine. Now they all go bad when the long sitting gasoline turns to corn syrup.

I'm forced to put ethanol in my Honda Generator but try to fill up with good gas once in a while.

Roy Ken

Right on, a few years back friend was having trouble with his honda carb. We took it apart and found some gooey syrup in his float bowl and in the loop of his fuel line....
I ran a simple experiment. I let a 1/2 oz of fresh gas in a test tube evaporate... There in the bottom was this gooey syrup...

I agree with all the posts that describe lower fuel mileage with ethanol...

We have had lot's of things stuffed down our throats by our Government... Sad to say the least.

Funny thing, MTBE was just as bad... We were told that we would experience no fuel mileage performance reduction etc... Wrong... 10% or more loss.

Here in Cali the EPA told CAL's Calif Air Resouces Board that oxygenated fuel was not needed in the Summer but CARB said we will keep Oxygenated rules year round..... OH WONDERFUL.

Jim

[MickD]

E-15 is coming to your station!

Problems with E-15

[C-Leigh_Racing]

In a nut shell, people across America, you have those that buy in to the ethanol because they may be involved somehow to be on the receiving end of that type of gas sold.
Then you have those people, that are being robed by the misleading ideas that the ethanol gas is good for the world.
Just a simple thing that has been going on from the first day the govn't was invented, ROB the people of the country so the rich can keep their pockets full & then control the poor with their stolen money.

Can tell you this, their day will come & all their riches in this world wont save them & they will pay for their wrong doings of the people of this country.
You want to go with them, just keep walking with them & doing the same way they do & they will take you right along beside them to their doom.
Neil

[NinerBikes]

I logged every single fuel up in my 1987 Toyota 4x4 Extra Cab over the 300,000 miles I put on it. I watched my MPG drop to 22MPG, from a consistent 25 MPG on ethanol based gasoline. For years, I would be shocked to start getting 25 MPG again when leaving the state of California and filling up with gas in St George UT. Without fail, I'd start seeing 25 MPG every fill up on these trips when filling up with real gas, not cut with MTBE or alcohol. Both of them are fluff, filler, with no real calories for the amount of weight you haul around with them in your fuel tank... they just don't generate as much energy when being burnt.

My log sheets didn't lie. The Toytota had fuel injection, so I can't say much about the fuel lines, but I did run Techron pretty regularly.

I've zero love for alcohol being blended with gasoline, dumbest idea since the square peg being tried to be fit in the round hole.

And you can bet your little Honda EU2000i makes less beans running alcohol based gasoline, and consumes fuel at a higher rate also, trying to spin that generator, and wants to overload sooner too, with less watts being produced... yeah, possibly 10 to 15% less, just like in the car.

[mlts22]

I'm the same way. If I can find 100% gasoline without booze in it, I get a good MPG bump.

On the other hand, I put in E-85, my 15 MPG goes to 10-11 MPG.

Of course, there is the comedy relief of watching people fight over the E-85 pump because they think the fuel is cheaper... and none of their vehicles are Flex-Fuel rated.

[The_Texan]

rockhillmanor wrote:

My MH, Toad and SUV gets the same mileage as anyone else's in the USA. Ethanol or not.

I find this very, very hard to believe. I live in a state where both are available and I use both, depending where I am when I need fuel. I consistently get a 15±% improvement in mileage with pure gas over ethanol every time, without fail.

[RoyB]

All I know is the rubber membranes in the fuel pumps etc all used to get eat up when the long sitting gasoline turned to turpentine. Now they all go bad when the long sitting gasoline turns to corn syrup.

I'm forced to put ethanol in my Honda Generator but try to fill up with good gas once in a while.

Roy Ken

[randallb]

Will ethanol absorb water? Yes. Will this water have an effect on vehicles that sit? Yes. The majority of ethanol related complaints, the most common being fuel hose failure, and militant belief in the myth are in areas of lower income that have a greater number of OLD vehicles. Did the ethanol laced fuel cause the fuel hose to fail earlier? Yes, but the hose was going to fail because or age any way. Now as to paying $3.75/gallon that to can be fixed. When the commodities futures law was first passed it required that the futures purchaser accept delivery of the future purchased. It did not matter if this future was crude oil, soybeans, corn, you get the picture, you had to take physical possession of said future. Along came the 401K and the banks had lots of money and they needed to generate growth for the "investor" and profits for themselves. The US Congress tacked an amendment on to an unrelated bill that effectively removed the sentence pertaining to futures delivery.. Enter the speculator and up goes the cost of every commodity traded on the futures market. Corn/ethanol is not the primary driver of $3.75 gasoline. $100.00/barrel of crude definitely is. Ck history and you will see a sharp spike in commodity prices immediately after this slight modification was made to the original law governing the futures market.
Randy

[rockhillmanor]

MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
reduction of fuel economy in my car when it drops from 28 to 24 mpg, and the engine stalls repeatedly after starting.....Lord help the poor RV'er who suffers paying an extra hundred dollars or so on an extended trip for "fuel".

I, as many other RV'ers make the trip south to Florida every year fuel tanks filled to the brim with gas/ethanol. And we don't pay any more for gas because of it.

We do NOT stall repeatedly.:R
My MH, Toad and SUV gets the same mileage as anyone else's in the USA. Ethanol or not.

I find it amusing that the drivers of the states that do not have ethanol yet are buying into all the false social media hype of it all. :B