Self serve LPG? Update; link added

[beemerphile1]

Read an article that the new Menards being built in my town will have a self serve LPG filling island in the parking lot. The article described it as if you will connect and fill your own cylinders.

Ever see one? I haven't.

UPDATE:
Well, I did find a link. It specifically says "Self-serve Propane Filling Station"

http://www.mytownneo.com/news/20171220/brimfield-menards-gets-ok-for-self-serve-propane-filling-stat...

[Kayteg1]

dougrainer wrote:


This comment is ridiculous. LP is under extreme pressure and is a Freezing Liquid when filling. A ten year old can put Gasoline in a car. An untrained ANY AGE could not correctly/Safely fill LP in a DOT tank or Motorhome ASME tank. There should NEVER be "Spilled" LP at any time. Slight vapor yes. Doug

Sounds like you haven't been much to propane fill station.
Not only filing process require constant spill of propane, make it mostly vapor but at the end in liquid, but when disconnecting hoses the operator has to spill several oz of liquid propane.
When filling my motorhome big tank, operators often had to use extensions, what added volume to spill.
I guess that is why most of stations offer price going down with volume.
The spill amount on 2 gallons is going to make much higher % than on 50 gallons.

[beemerphile1]

Updated OP

[red31]

RJsfishin wrote:
Yeah, well, you;re all so dam smart here, but you don't know much.
Self propane fill is nothing new,....as I always used one nearly 20 yrs ago, and that was in Manteca CA. And there were others too that I'm not familar w/. Of course I have to prove it don't I, because I'm always the idot here.
Call Kamps Propane Service, in Manteca CA,.....yes they are still in business. I think they quit the self serve, not sure for what reason. But it was legal in CA then, so it was probably legal in all 50 states, doncha think ??
Buncha dam knowitalls !!

When I had a 50+ gallon tank in the bed of the truck ('06) and went to WY, I had my TX book of propane sellers and a few printed off the net along my route, Cody WY IIRC. The most manifolded contraction and locks for self serve propane. Had to go to the other alternative fuel place in town since I had no key/account.

[dougrainer]

Kayteg1 wrote:

MrWizard wrote:
Should the avg person be capable of filling an LP cylinder?

Beside couple of states, we all do fill up our gasoline, don't we?
Way more danger in that.
I bet you have seen lot of propane spilled left and right at the station?
Try to spill gasoline around?

This comment is ridiculous. LP is under extreme pressure and is a Freezing Liquid when filling. A ten year old can put Gasoline in a car. An untrained ANY AGE could not correctly/Safely fill LP in a DOT tank or Motorhome ASME tank. There should NEVER be "Spilled" LP at any time. Slight vapor yes. Doug

[dougrainer]

parkmanaa wrote:
ANY un-licensed person caught dispensing propane in the USA would be subject to a heavy fine, as well as owner of the equipment.

Am almost certain they are putting in the self-service tank EXCHANGE, which has become so popular in our area.

Also, though not quite as certain, would bet it is for 20 lb. cylinders only.

There is NO Federal regulation of LP. LP is delegated to the individual STATES. There are numerous States that do regulate LP and Texas is one of them. Doug

[Kayteg1]

MrWizard wrote:
Should the avg person be capable of filling an LP cylinder?

Beside couple of states, we all do fill up our gasoline, don't we?
Way more danger in that.
I bet you have seen lot of propane spilled left and right at the station?
Try to spill gasoline around?

[beemerphile1]

No link since the article is in a small local paper.

It will be interesting to see what it is since so many are adamant about self fill being impossible.

[MrWizard]

Should the avg person be capable of filling an LP cylinder?
Are they?
When LP moved from utility and tool use
To back yard barbecues, the avg user has the attention span of ????
In today's world, the avg new RV owner has no experience, outside of his barbecue
Some don't even have that much experience, and no desire to learn anything outside of their daily sphere of existstance

[Ralph_Cramden]

wa8yxm wrote:


And today there is more.. For example, Did you know that some propane cylinders indicate that the owner is a CRIMINAL.. yes the propane cylinder says so. Or at least gives enough indication to seek a search warrant for where the cylinder was used..

Shhhhhhhhhhhh!

I'm always pulling those tags off from under upholstered furniture LOL.

[parkmanaa]

ANY un-licensed person caught dispensing propane in the USA would be subject to a heavy fine, as well as owner of the equipment.

Am almost certain they are putting in the self-service tank EXCHANGE, which has become so popular in our area.

Also, though not quite as certain, would bet it is for 20 lb. cylinders only.

[wa8yxm]

Though long long ago My dad, on occasion, Did visit a Self Serve propane fill. Today we have laws, I might add these laws make great sense to me. ONLY Trained Certified technicians are allowed to fill cylinders..

You see, My dad, as an example, did not know about the visual overfill indicator valve (how many of you know what that is?, if you do not know, don't be pumping Propane)
(We pumped by weight and since the tank was EMPTY that was safe)

And today there is more.. For example, Did you know that some propane cylinders indicate that the owner is a CRIMINAL.. yes the propane cylinder says so. Or at least gives enough indication to seek a search warrant for where the cylinder was used.. Trained Pump Jockeys, Know how to "read" the indicator (I only know it because I was present during a class, I was not taking the class (I was doing what I'm doing now) but being a multi-tasker I listened to the instructor as I typed, even as I'm listening to Patrick Steward playing Scrooge as I type now).

So the law requires Pump Operators be "Certified" as knowing what they are doing.

[IAMICHABOD]

drsteve wrote:

mobeewan wrote:

rockylarson wrote:
We can't even fill our own gasoline tanks in New Jersey. You think they will trust us with propane....?

Filling gas tanks has nothing to do with trust. It's all about the uuunions. Someone gets paid to fill your gas tank. The uuunions want more members they can steal money from.

Except that law was lobbied for by gas station station owners, long ago, because of safety concerns.

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[drsteve]

mobeewan wrote:

rockylarson wrote:
We can't even fill our own gasoline tanks in New Jersey. You think they will trust us with propane....?

Filling gas tanks has nothing to do with trust. It's all about the uuunions. Someone gets paid to fill your gas tank. The uuunions want more members they can steal money from.

Except that law was lobbied for by gas station station owners, long ago, because of safety concerns.

If you like weekends, thank a union member.

[bucky]

mobeewan wrote:

rockylarson wrote:
We can't even fill our own gasoline tanks in New Jersey. You think they will trust us with propane....?

Filling gas tanks has nothing to do with trust. It's all about the uuunions. Someone gets paid to fill your gas tank. The uuunions want more members they can steal money from.

But oddly until the recent gas tax hike in NJ it was the cheapest gas around in the NE.

[RJsfishin]

I never did figure out what the big deal was on this forum about fillin a lousy propane tank, like its something specialized or something. Every place I ever worked I was forced to take a whole 5 minute education course (osha standards) on how to fill a tank. One place where we filled nothing but fork lifts, we were showed to NEVER open a bleeder valve, fill it till the pump stopped shut off the switch, unscrew the hose, and drive off. In reality, any 10 yr old kid can fill a propane tank.
But if ya listen to the knowitalls here, every thing is specialized,......even gotta have a battery goddess to tell us how to "fry" a 12v battery.
Everybody here is a wannabe expert.
All the real experts left this forum,....got dam sic of all the BS here.
This forum used to be good 10-15 yrs ago,....I learned a lot from the real experts back then. Sad it is !! But I come here every now and then, for the comedy if nothin else.