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The Official unofficial CPE 2000i Generator Thread

pritch272
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8/1/2010 edit: Thread renamed at the suggestion of the Professor.
Renamed from: Champion Inverter and Remote Gens Promo on CPE's web site)


3/22/2011 edit: Thread renamed ...
Renamed from: Official CPE 2000 Watt Inverter Generator Thread


3/23/2011 edit: Thread renamed at the suggestion of the Professor.
Renamed from: (Un)Official CPE 2000 Watt Inverter Generator Thread


Inverter Available August 2010



Remote Available July 2010

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Old___Slow
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bradyk wrote:
I was away working down in Phoenix the last 2 weeks so have not tried that fix yet. Everything they suggested I have done. I have no problem doing those fixes as I am pretty handy and am quite capable of most mechanical fixes if I know where to start. I may try that fix in the next day or so when I get my home stuff caught up. This damn work travelling is hard on the camping and honey do lists. I have another month here before hitting the road again so should have some time to play once I get caught up. I do like your theory though. It makes total sense to me. They were also trying the clean the jets etc and blow out with the compressor which didn't change a thing. I also have a video I sent to the Champion tech if anyone wants to see what we are talking about on this thread so you understand what is going on. these were even after the module and jet cleaning they suggested. Turn up your volume on your speakers and you will hear what we are all talking about.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v605/calgarygringo/Champion%202000W%20Generator/

Ken




Thanks calgarygringo for the effort to help us folks on the fence. Sounds like one of my lawn mowers. FWIW, me thinks, dig deep and go for the 'Gold Standard', Honda/Yamaha. Do they continue to build the Champion 2000i? If 50 are already in the resale store, Ebay will be busy with Champion 2000i listings soon.

Wayne_Dohnal
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IMO the bad effects of starting and stopping the inverter gen with a load are less than with a conventional generator, but it's still best to avoid it. I haven't tested clean starts and stops but noticed when the eu2000i runs out of gas the output switches on and off a few times as the engine surges up and down before finally stopping.
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tvman44
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Not exactly pertaining to the 2000i, but wondering about something, is there a problem starting or stopping a inverter ginny with a load on it like a synchronous ginny?
I imagine they could program in some protection into the module, but do any of them do that?
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professor95
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mskobier wrote:
bradyk,
I listened to you clips. I would bet that the issue is your pilot jet. An easy test to verify that is the issue is as follows.

With the gen side cover off, start the engine, and put it into econ mode once it has warmed up a couple of minutes. Look at the throttle control arm on top of the gen. You should notice it moving back and forth as the servo motor on too is trying to maintain a steady engine speed. If it is moving as described, shut the engine off Then unplug the wire coming from the se4rvo on top of the carb. Manually set the throttle lever to about 1/4 throttle, then start the engine again. It should start and run at a afirly high rpm. Once the engine is running, reach in to the carb and move the throttle lever to the idle position. This will be with the idle control screw touching the stop. Most likely the engine will die. if it does, the pilot jet is restricted and needs to be cleaned.

That will entail removing the carb, drilling the plug with a small drill bit and using a small screw, screw it into hole you drilled and use a pair of pliers to remove the plug. Once out, you will see the top of the pilot jet screw. At this point, I would carefylly screw the pilot jet in until it seats, counting the number of turns, then screw the needle all the way out. There will be a small spring on the needle. Do not loose it. using compressed air, carb cleaner, etc, clean the pilot jet passages and reinstall the needle. Setting it back where it was originally (Mine was 2 complete turns out from closed). Reinstall the carb and repeat the test with the servo unplugged. The engine shoould idle down to a nice low rpm and be fairly stable.If so, shut the engine down and plug the servo back in. Then restart and turn the econ mode back on. It should idle down to a fairly low rpm. Not as low as with the servo unplugged.

Mitch


I believe Mitch has written up an excellent posting. Albeit, the pilot or low speed jet was at one time something we - the consumer - had access to and could readily adjust.

Unfortunately our EPA made a decision that WE were too stupid to know how to accomplish adjustment and out of fear that we would misadjust the jet and cause excessive pollution mandated that they would be adjusted at the factory when new and then sealed. At one time we could also adjust the float level to compensate for too rich or too lean a fuel mixture. Now, there is no provision for float adjustment - all is fixed.

Of course, old timers will remember when we had adjustable main jets on small engine carburetors. They began to disappeared a few decades ago. If they had not been accessible on my chain saw last week, I would have needed to trash it and purchase a new one.

Anyone with any intelligence should know that an engine will change it's requirements for air and fuel as it wears, elevation changes or the natural varnish buildup of the gums from gasoline appear. It is also improbable that every engine built is thoroughly tested and receives a carburetor adjustment specific to the machining differences that are always present. Factory adjustments are now generally the "mean" of what is expected - not the ones needed for a particular engine.

The unfortunate part is once we crack the seal on that pilot or low speed jet and turn the screw we have voided the emissions warranty per EPA specifications. What this ultimately means to us remains to be seen.

I really get pissed off at all the anti-tamper devices that are incorporated into small engine carburetors. I personally fail to see how the EPA expects these steps to prevent additional air pollution unless it is their hope that the device will be thrown away when readjustment is needed.

Go for Mitch's suggestions! They are good advice for maintaining proper performance of your small engine.
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Angus_NB
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Thanks Hybridhunter. I've bookmarked it for testing on a non-rainy day. ๐Ÿ™‚
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MrRchitty
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The link in easy click format


Thank you
Randall J. Chittenden
CT
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Former Auto Parts Sales 12 years

Hybridhunter
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http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/25456876.cfm

There ya go friends!

Angus_NB
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It doesn't appear that he has posted it yet.
I took a look at Hybridhunter's posts, the one in this thread is the most recent.

I am interested in how to make the 8955 go into Bulk too.
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MrRchitty
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Hybridhunter wrote:
A short note on some more testing I have done with my WFCO. I incorrectly reported that my WFCO in Bulk (Boost, whatever...) mode overloaded the CPE 2000i. Further testing has shown that it will overload the 2000i in absorbtion mode as well. As noted by others the WFCO 8955 is stubborn about going into bulk mode. Well testing has shown me that it can draw as high as 1400VA in Absorbtion, and slightly more in Bulk, as high as 1500VA+. I have found a way to reliably make the 8955 go into Bulk, which will be posted shortly in another thread.


Would you post a link to the thread?
Randall J. Chittenden
CT
Fire/Medic
Former Auto Parts Sales 12 years

Angus_NB
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I use a no-name 3000 watt (3500 peak) generator.
I have to turn off the breaker for the WFCO 8955 to get my air conditioner to start, otherwise the breaker on the generator will trip. The WFCO draws a lot of power and was not running in bulk mode at the time.
I can use the AC and a stand alone battery charger at the same time.
2008 Toyota Tundra 5.7L 4x4 DC
2013 Fun Finder F-266 KIRB
Reese Dual Cam HP / Prodigy P3
2 Black Labs - Lucy (Her) & Tosha (Him)

Hybridhunter
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A short note on some more testing I have done with my WFCO. I incorrectly reported that my WFCO in Bulk (Boost, whatever...) mode overloaded the CPE 2000i. Further testing has shown that it will overload the 2000i in absorbtion mode as well. As noted by others the WFCO 8955 is stubborn about going into bulk mode. Well testing has shown me that it can draw as high as 1400VA in Absorbtion, and slightly more in Bulk, as high as 1500VA+. I have found a way to reliably make the 8955 go into Bulk, which will be posted shortly in another thread.

mskobier
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bradyk,
I listened to you clips. I would bet that the issue is your pilot jet. An easy test to verify that is the issue is as follows.

With the gen side cover off, start the engine, and put it into econ mode once it has warmed up a couple of minutes. Look at the throttle control arm on top of the gen. You should notice it moving back and forth as the servo motor on too is trying to maintain a steady engine speed. If it is moving as described, shut the engine off Then unplug the wire coming from the se4rvo on top of the carb. Manually set the throttle lever to about 1/4 throttle, then start the engine again. It should start and run at a afirly high rpm. Once the engine is running, reach in to the carb and move the throttle lever to the idle position. This will be with the idle control screw touching the stop. Most likely the engine will die. if it does, the pilot jet is restricted and needs to be cleaned.

That will entail removing the carb, drilling the plug with a small drill bit and using a small screw, screw it into hole you drilled and use a pair of pliers to remove the plug. Once out, you will see the top of the pilot jet screw. At this point, I would carefylly screw the pilot jet in until it seats, counting the number of turns, then screw the needle all the way out. There will be a small spring on the needle. Do not loose it. using compressed air, carb cleaner, etc, clean the pilot jet passages and reinstall the needle. Setting it back where it was originally (Mine was 2 complete turns out from closed). Reinstall the carb and repeat the test with the servo unplugged. The engine shoould idle down to a nice low rpm and be fairly stable.If so, shut the engine down and plug the servo back in. Then restart and turn the econ mode back on. It should idle down to a fairly low rpm. Not as low as with the servo unplugged.

Mitch

bradyk
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I was away working down in Phoenix the last 2 weeks so have not tried that fix yet. Everything they suggested I have done. I have no problem doing those fixes as I am pretty handy and am quite capable of most mechanical fixes if I know where to start. I may try that fix in the next day or so when I get my home stuff caught up. This damn work travelling is hard on the camping and honey do lists. I have another month here before hitting the road again so should have some time to play once I get caught up. I do like your theory though. It makes total sense to me. They were also trying the clean the jets etc and blow out with the compressor which didn't change a thing. I also have a video I sent to the Champion tech if anyone wants to see what we are talking about on this thread so you understand what is going on. these were even after the module and jet cleaning they suggested. Turn up your volume on your speakers and you will hear what we are all talking about.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v605/calgarygringo/Champion%202000W%20Generator/

Ken
2001 Chevrolet 2500hd Silverado LT 4x4 6.0L/4.10
2005 KZ Outdoorsmen 2605PF
Equal-i-zer 10K WDH
Champion 4000W Generator
Champion 2000W Generator x 2
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Yugi Dog, Jet Dog

mskobier
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bradyk,
Did you drill out the plug cover on the pilot jet adjustment needle so it could be cleaned too?

Mitch

bradyk
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They just sent the unit and said they would arrange something for the return one. By Monday night I will have 2 in the garage. They paid the full shot shipping, brokerage etc. They send their stuff up here via Fedex. Took a week or so for the parts and same for the new one.
2001 Chevrolet 2500hd Silverado LT 4x4 6.0L/4.10
2005 KZ Outdoorsmen 2605PF
Equal-i-zer 10K WDH
Champion 4000W Generator
Champion 2000W Generator x 2
Ken & Sandra
Yugi Dog, Jet Dog