Ford f150 Payload

[monkey44]

Looking at F-150 to carry the Lance at 2750 dry.  Sold my 2500HD, and need a short truck to fit in my garage.  So, looked at GM 1500's, and payload says 1800-2200 lbs ... I thinking based on equipment and truck weight.  So, it cannot haul that camper (Yeah, I knew that already pretty much) ... but GM does not offer a 2500 with regular cab and short bed -   I thought if I beefed the suspension up it might work for the short trips we take now - and only a few days local.    Probably not.

Someone here said F-150 hauls more -- so I'm looking at Ford site and it says F-150 payload 3375 ... that's a lot for a 150/1500 pickup.  But when I go to find on on a search, I find highest payload at 2470 ...  I know payload is based on some equipment options and weight, etc,.,  But a F150 at 3375??? I find that hard to believe.  I've always been a GM guy so don't know much about Ford - any of you Ford guys know if that payload is true I don't want to go to a 250 because it will not fit in the garage, and I'm in a community so cannot just add-on to the garage, which I would otherwise do -- just build a port and wall, and park, I just want it out of the weather.  Is that some special order high-payload or something.  I can't even build it on the Ford site.

[nickthehunter · Accepted solution]

Based upon my knowledge from when I was shopping for trucks 3 years ago; you could order a regular cab F150 XL 4X4 with the Heavy Duty Payload Package (HDPP), 18 inch wheels, and 8-foot bed. That would get you 4800 lbs rear GAWR and about 3000 lbs payload. You will likely exceed both ratings by about 250 lbs +/-; 4X2 will give you about 200 lbs more payload. That is as close as you will get to what you want in a 1/2 ton truck.

[opnspaces]

That's a sharp looking truck.

[monkey44]

Yup, it works - I always have trouble with new tech because I have limited tech experience - mostly helpful hints or trial and error.   2024 2500HD 4x4 Custom SB w/ 6.6 gas and Allison 10sp w 3:73. And 275 Twenty inch Wranglers ... Rides nice - haven't had it long enough to know mpg at this point.

[COnative]

What model # of Lance are you talking about?  I've got some real numbers for the 865.  I have it on a Ram 3500 with 6.7.

[groover1]

Ford is no longer accepting orders for 2023 F150's and it seems that the max payload package is not going to offered in 2024.  The 2024 towing guide has not been released yet but the some dealers are publishing the following specs for the 2024 F150:

• Best-in-class maximum towing capacity of 13,500 pounds
• Best-in-class available payload of 2,455 pounds

Ford has copyrighted the F200 moniker.  Nothing is certain other than that but I am hoping for 9,000lb gvwr truck with 8 lug wheels and a hybrid engine.  

The LT265/70R18C tires are no longer available either.  To get maximum towing you have been required to get 20" tires anyway.  I have the LT265/70R18C tires on my 2016 F150 and really like them.  I don't understand why they are no longer offered.

[Grit_dog]

Except it doesn’t matter. You can get the same truck, same axle, etc. If they don’t claim 3klb payload any more, it’s just different marketing. 
why would you want a 9klb 8 lug? Lol

[groover1]

The max payload package came with a frame that was about 200lbs heavier and a sturdier rear axle.  For years the 3.73 rear axle and the max payload package came together.  The miniscule difference in the gearing between 3.55 and 3.73 axles doesn't justify having a different axle, it is the weight capacity of each that is important.

"why would you want a 9klb 8 lug? Lol"   Simple.  I actually prefer the F150 EcoBoost over a 3/4 ton for my business but the IRS won't let me write of an F150 as a business expense.  Go 8,800 lbs or more and it is no problem.  Actually, the PowerBoost would be very attractive.  I have tried both diesel and gas 3/4 ton trucks pulling my 12,000lb trailer and wasn't impressed with either on for the short trips that I do.  

[cptqueeg]

Tax Act of 2017 allows 100% depreciation in the first year for 6000 GVWR rated trucks and SUV's.

[monkey44]

That work related depreciation was allowed for one years as well, in 2003.  I bought my 2003 2500HD that year, and found out it was fully deductible a month later ... Lucky me !!!   I guess now it's permanent. Lucky all of us.  And, I just bought a new 2500HD a month ago for a lot more than a 2003. 🙂 

[Grit_dog]

Fair enough. But the additional 8-9% increase in section modulus between a HD frame and HDPP frame is nothing that will limit the HD from anything a HDPP might be rated for in payload. 
And the 9.75” axle is common in all but the LD models. 
The HDPP was really just a complication without a good purpose. 
Regarding depreciation or expenses for the IRS, there are thousands of companies that write off hundreds of thousands of light duty half tons. Maybe just not your preferred depreciation or expenses scenario. 
Again, seems like small potatoes and not much reason to have a “mini” 3/4ton. 
Plus, if I was tugging around a 12klb trailer regularly, I’d just get the right truck to begin with. 

[blt2ski]

Grit,

The 8 lug 8600-8800 gvwr truck is a missing link between the typical 6600-7200 6 lug 15 series truck, and the current SW 25/35 series trucks that have 10.5-12.5 gvwr's. Along with base tare wts of 6500 to 9000 lbs wts. vs the 8600-8800 trucks tare wts from 5000-7200 lbs relm. While the lighter versions have 4000 lb payloads for the base reg cab to as little as 2000 for a CC full loaded diesel 4x. The current versions have at best, 500-1000 lbs more payload for a given model. Yet you have a truck that weighs some 1500-2000 lbs more tare wt. 
There is a market for a maxed-out DOT class 2A 8400 lb gvwr 8 lug truck. Weighs maybe 200-400 lbs more than the basic 1500, uses those same motors with equal HP/torque as BB motors of yor! same payloads, but upwards of twice the mpg! Not everyone needs a 400/1000 diesel motor, THe motors in the 15 series trucks will pull 8-12K lbs fine. You do this frequently at work! I've pulled 8500 just fine with my 1500 and a 300/300 4.3 V6. Only thing I'm missing is another 1000 lbs of payload a family would need to tow a trailer this heavy like the 8600 and 9200 gvwr 8 lug trucks I had in the past. 

My 88 ext 3500 with a long bed BB 8600 gvwr, weight 5600 lbs, my current SB ext 1500 is 5300. I'm shy 1400 lbs of door sticker payload at less than 200-300 lbs of tare. My 96 CC TD weighed 6000 lbs. Was next to a CC D/A short bed SW 3500 a few years back at the Fred Meyer on 99 on Kent Des Moines border. Thing weighed 1000 lbs MORE than my 05 DW LB equal, had 1000 lbs LESS door sticker payload. IT was 2000 lbs MORE tare than my 96 CC! Yeah, they have more factory GVWR, but payload is plus or minus 300 lbs from the old lighter ones. Main reason in my book I can see for the heavier chassis weight, is the need for the frame, drive line to handle the double tripling of power out of the TD's! Along with the need to handle trailers that weigh upwards of 20-25K lbs like cummins12v 5W. SO reality, the current 25/35 SW and DW rigs have taken the place of 45 series trucks. Hence why they are close to the size and base weights of these past design trucks. 
I'd take an 8600 version of what I have over my 7200 version. V6 and ALL! or the baby 250-300hp 6cyl diesel that the 1500's have with a 10 sp. I believe you're driving one now! A slightly stronger chassis, drive train, a family of 6 like I have that comes in at 1200-1300 lbs of 4 adult sized teens can move an 8-12K lb TT in style! I don't need a current 400/1000 diesel to run down the road at 15-16K lbs GCW. 

There is a market for this truck size. Probably smaller than the market can bear......there is a market.

Marty

[rjstractor]

Nissan still has their Titan XD, with an 8750 GVWR and payload of about 2300 lbs.  But it's a little on the heavy side empty- 6400 lbs IIRC.  Plenty of motor, with 400 hp and over 400 lb/ft of torque.  Unknown what the RGAWR is, but probably well under 6K.  Not enough to carry the OP's camper.

[blt2ski]

RJ,

IIRC the Nissan has a 4500 or 5000 lbs axel both front and rear. Its much like my 1500 with twin 3900 axles. Not like the 25+ series rigs with a front that is about 1/3 less than the rear. Hence why it probably has not done as well as it could sales wise. Along with the V8 Cummins having worst mpg than ALL or at least a very high majority of the diesel trucks. 

Marty

[monkey44]

I looked at the Ford, and several others.  I ended up going back to a Chevy 2500HD ... found one with all the options  I want and not much I don't want.  Priced right and got a fair trade-in ... in fact, spent less overall than I thought at the beginning of this search.  Am picking it up Monday.  Thanks for all the advice guys.   🙂 M44 

Will try to post a photo but am not enamored with this new forum.  Will try to hang in there, but it's not as easy as it should be unless one has at least some tech background, which Monkey does not.  Probably see you all around a lot less than in past years.  

[Grit_dog]

 Just click the picture button up ^ here. And add a pic. 
congrats on the new rig!