2015 Ram 1500 a Contender? Not.

[Kampfirekid]

I posted in another thread my finding the payload on a 2015 EcoDiesel being only 1200 pounds. That was per the sales guide at the dealership.
Well, tonight I happened by a Dodge/Ford dealership and found a new 1500 Longhorn EcoDiesel. Beautiful truck. I took it for a spin and was very surprised by the average 26 mpg being reported on the dash. But that couldn't come remotely close to the surprise when I looked at its payload. Total of occupants and cargo shall not exceed... Sit down... Wait for it... 847 pounds! Really? I went into the showroom to find the same truck with the Hemi, and it revealed 950. Is Ram serious? That's not even close to respectable for a few guys to head north for a hunting trip!
The interesting part was sitting in the delivery bay were two 2015 F150 Platinum trucks with 3.5L EcoBoosts. Both showed payloads of 1547. That is more like it.
I really was interested in the Ram, but there is no way $58,000 and 850# of payload is practical. Just imagine a family of four going camping. You couldn't even set the hitch on the ball and you'd be close to overweight. Interesting, but sad how many don't even know the reality. As I left, the salesman I spoke with had two others on their knees bent over looking at the sticker on the B-pillar. They just couldn't believe it. The Chrysler 300 sitting next had a higher payload I'll bet.

[pitch]

Yes it is a troll post. Now look at my seniority date and tell me that I haven't earned the right to call you out
If you don't want to buy a Ram eco diesel then don't. The Eco Diesel fills a niche, just as Chrysler designed it to. The vast majority of half tons no matter the capacity are sold as passenger vehicles with a utility component,(the bed). Do you remember in the '70's the only multi door trucks were special spec military or government fleet? Now a days a two door pickup is almost as rare as a 4 door was then.
If you are looking for a towing or loadbearing platform, you will look for the proper tool.

Just a side note, My wifes Nissan Juke has a 1200 pound limit

[Kampfirekid]

ib516 wrote:


Ram 1500s do have low payload, but it really depends on how they are equipped.

In the Recent Pickuptrucks.com test, their EcoDiesel crew cab 4x4 payload was 14xx#, same as the Ford with the same cab style and Aluminium body. They really aren't all that different in the real world.

While my actual observations between a loaded Ram 1500 Longhorn (not top of the line, but close) and the F150 Platinum (top of the line) revealed drastic differences, I can easily accept and understand the intent of the introduction of the EcoDiesel into the market place. It's just not for me.

[goducks10]

My son has a 12 or 13 Ram 1500 Sport 5.7 Hemi and it has 1400+lbs CCC. Good enough for him and his 3 little girls, wife, camping gear and 17' ski boat. Not everyone tows a 25' TT with 750lbs of TW. Like someone else posted 75% of 1/2 ton owners probably never tow more than a utility trailer once in awhile. I've had trucks for as long as I can remember and never towed a TT until 5 years ago. Did I need a truck? According to some I just had a grocery getter since I didn't tow a TT. But my trucks were used for work, running to Home Depot to get building materials, bark for the yard, helping someone move stuff and whatever else I needed it for. While the Ram ED does have a lower CCC than it's competitors, that doesn't make it worthless. In fact my son would benefit from an ED since his wife drives the tuck to work. It would still haul their 3 little girls, camping gear and 17' ski boat just fine

[GordonThree]

Is the payload geographically dependant, or are is this limited to trucks in the $55-75k price range? Why the h*** anyone would spend that much on a truck is BEYOND ME, it's a truck, not a sports car, not a luxury sedan.



Sticker on my $35k 2013 Ram 1500 Outdoorsman, 5.7 HEMI, 3.73 gear, Crew cab 4x4

I'm no mathematician but I think that's more than half a ton.

[Mesteve]

romore wrote:
no real use for it other than to pick up the occasional shrub at the nursery....fuel economy ratings

ding ding ding, target demographics! Homeowners who need to haul project material from the local big box on the weekends and still have a luxury vehicle during the week.

[romore]

It was never intended as a tow vehicle or camper hauler, it is marketed to the urban poser who thinks he wants a truck but has no real use for it other than to pick up the occasional shrub at the nursery. It is all about average fleet fuel economy ratings and bragging rights in ads. Without it they would not be able to flog as many Hemis in trucks

[ib516]

I have a buddy that has a 2014 Ram 1500, crew cab with the Hemi, 6.5' bed, 4x4, Laramie Limited, with the Ram box, air suspension, leather, sunroof, etc. His trucks payload was just over 1000#, like 1065# IIRC. Another friend also has a 2014 Ram 1500 Crew cab, Laramie, 4x4, 6.5' bed, but no air suspension and no ram box. His payload is just under 1300#.

Ram 1500s do have low payload, but it really depends on how they are equipped.

In the Recent Pickuptrucks.com test, their EcoDiesel crew cab 4x4 payload was 14xx#, same as the Ford with the same cab style and Aluminium body. They really aren't all that different in the real world.

The new king of payload in the 1500 series class is actually the GM twins. Almost any way you equip them, they have more payload than Ford or Ram.

[Bionic_Man]

RAM has been pretty clear with their website truck builder feature for years. If you want/need to haul or tow more weight, you need to go up to a 2500 in a RAM.

The 1500 clearly isn't marketed for the RV crowd. Just the way it is.

[Kampfirekid]

GordonThree wrote:
slow day that a troll post is already deep into the 2nd page with replies?

A troll post? Based upon your join date, you are still wearing diapers. Go home. I've been actively posting as a member here quite a bit longer than you and assure you I am not a troll. Glad you could get your post count up though.

The point of this post is how even a ultralight travel trailer with only people in the cab of a 1500 Ram will set the average camper over the weight rating on the RAM. The other. 1/2 ton trucks are rated at 75% more cargo. At 850 to 950 payload, the only front the Ram can uphold is fuel economy (diesel). Mind you, the Hemi 1500 was 100# greater in payload than the EcoDiesel. As a true truck, for hauling and towing, how can it compete with the others comparably equipped? As I posted before, I was considering downsizing trailer and truck to the Ram EcoDiesel as I drive a lot as a daily driver. I hoped it would be the compromise... Give a little here and there to gain fuel economy for my daily drives. I didn't expect the gas or diesel Ram to be THAT much lighter than its competition.

[carringb]

Kampfirekid wrote:

It makes me wonder what payload an F150 would have with a diesel in it.

The 5-cyl power stroke in the new Transit weights 325 pounds more than the EcoBoost.

[GordonThree]

slow day that a troll post is already deep into the 2nd page with replies?

[Kampfirekid]

You mathmetician guys that are thinking common sense as 1/2 ton equals 1000 pounds need to get back to the real word. A half ton trucks payload hasn't been 1000# or less since just about the time dirt was created. Unless all 3/4 tons and 1 tons get down to actual weights such as 1500# and 2000# respectively, your argument is void. And if a 1 ton truck becomes a 2000# cargo/occupant truck, then we are all screwed.

[Mesteve]

SAE J2807

[missionman]

whats funny to me is my dads king ranch (all available options) EB f150 still has a 1200# payload. why are RAMs so low?

[x96mnn]

LOL. Sorry but a half ton truck being rated to tow a half ton....people are shocked? What's wrong with this picture?