2017 F150 EcoBoost vs 2016 Ram EcoDiesel Towing MPG Review

[FishOnOne]

Here's the TFLT test review.

Link

[Camper_G]

ROBERTSUNRUS wrote:

Camper G wrote:

ROBERTSUNRUS wrote:

Camper G wrote:

spoon059 wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
But I will put more faith in fuelly reports of literally millions of miles, (as well as what MotorTrend did for about 30,000 miles each) than someone's neighbors, friends, niece's hairdresser..........

How about a fish's cousin...?

In all honesty, if price were the same between an EB F150 and a Hemi Ram, I think I would lean towards the EB Ford. Hemi is a great engine, no doubt, but the EB makes that power much lower in the band and is really a better engine for towing in the mountains. While I don't always tow in the mountains (Eastern US... so "mountains" is a little misleading...), I tow often enough that I like the power lower.

I'd choose a hemi ram over the Ford EB. Call me old school, but i just don't trust a forced induction engine over the long haul. I'm sure many are fine, it's just my preference. Ford tech maculoco on you tube has a few videos out about issues with the EB and newer F150s in general. He's an excellent ford trained tech, yet he chose a ram ecodiesel over an f150 when he bought a new truck. That's pretty telling to me. He has a video out on his ecodiesel page about why.

Both are good trucks, it's all about what each person values most in the end.

🙂 Hi, he chose the Dodge because the dealer he worked for jerked him around on what was supposed to be a great deal on the Ford. In a tantrum, he bought a Dodge. That was his reason, in his words. He really wanted the Ecoboost. Listening to him is similar to listening to Madonna. Just another You Tube "look at Me!"

You need to go actively listen to the entire video and not from a brand perspective. You see i am a Ford man and have been for a long time now. But anymore these days I'm not brand loyal. I was considering a 17 F250 when i bought my ram but the Ford was so much more money for a truck with far fewer options it was not worth it. Plus in the end i liked the ram better anyway.

Ford tech maculoco's video does state he was dissapointed in his dealer, that is true, that was part of his decision. He also wanted a diesel, that was also part of it. however he also goes into a several known issues the newer f150s have. Far too many for me to list here. His choice was more than just a transaction issue. I find him to be a very good ford tech and from what i can tell, he's an intelligent man who used to work at a Ford dealer so he's seen a lot more than most of us have. He also has a video out about timing chain stretch issues on the EB. He's former military also i trust what he says. His video is not just a rant.

The f150 is a good truck,no question, but like any other brand, it's got issues too. None are perfect.

If anyone wants to watch the video and draw their own conclusions, here's the link.


https://youtu.be/C8RnrdJ_mPA

🙂 Hi, maybe you should give me some extra credit too; I was in the Army, I started working at new car dealerships in 1968, I was a mechanic, service advisor, and shop foreman. I was also a Mac Tools distributor for eight years. Sorry, I didn't make any public videos. I retired from a Ford dealer in 2008. :W

I was not questioning your background or experience. I was questioning your review of the content of the video and that's not changed.

Thank you for your service.

[ROBERTSUNRUS]

Camper G wrote:

ROBERTSUNRUS wrote:

Camper G wrote:

spoon059 wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
But I will put more faith in fuelly reports of literally millions of miles, (as well as what MotorTrend did for about 30,000 miles each) than someone's neighbors, friends, niece's hairdresser..........

How about a fish's cousin...?

In all honesty, if price were the same between an EB F150 and a Hemi Ram, I think I would lean towards the EB Ford. Hemi is a great engine, no doubt, but the EB makes that power much lower in the band and is really a better engine for towing in the mountains. While I don't always tow in the mountains (Eastern US... so "mountains" is a little misleading...), I tow often enough that I like the power lower.

I'd choose a hemi ram over the Ford EB. Call me old school, but i just don't trust a forced induction engine over the long haul. I'm sure many are fine, it's just my preference. Ford tech maculoco on you tube has a few videos out about issues with the EB and newer F150s in general. He's an excellent ford trained tech, yet he chose a ram ecodiesel over an f150 when he bought a new truck. That's pretty telling to me. He has a video out on his ecodiesel page about why.

Both are good trucks, it's all about what each person values most in the end.

🙂 Hi, he chose the Dodge because the dealer he worked for jerked him around on what was supposed to be a great deal on the Ford. In a tantrum, he bought a Dodge. That was his reason, in his words. He really wanted the Ecoboost. Listening to him is similar to listening to Madonna. Just another You Tube "look at Me!"

You need to go actively listen to the entire video and not from a brand perspective. You see i am a Ford man and have been for a long time now. But anymore these days I'm not brand loyal. I was considering a 17 F250 when i bought my ram but the Ford was so much more money for a truck with far fewer options it was not worth it. Plus in the end i liked the ram better anyway.

Ford tech maculoco's video does state he was dissapointed in his dealer, that is true, that was part of his decision. He also wanted a diesel, that was also part of it. however he also goes into a several known issues the newer f150s have. Far too many for me to list here. His choice was more than just a transaction issue. I find him to be a very good ford tech and from what i can tell, he's an intelligent man who used to work at a Ford dealer so he's seen a lot more than most of us have. He also has a video out about timing chain stretch issues on the EB. He's former military also i trust what he says. His video is not just a rant.

The f150 is a good truck,no question, but like any other brand, it's got issues too. None are perfect.

If anyone wants to watch the video and draw their own conclusions, here's the link.


https://youtu.be/C8RnrdJ_mPA

🙂 Hi, maybe you should give me some extra credit too; I was in the Army, I started working at new car dealerships in 1968, I was a mechanic, service advisor, and shop foreman. I was also a Mac Tools distributor for eight years. Sorry, I didn't make any public videos. I retired from a Ford dealer in 2008. :W

[hvac]

I can say with out hesitation no other 1/2 ton truck exists to be worked like our eco diesel. The ZF 8 speed and air suspension combo is flawless for our annual 5 month nationwide towing application. The vehicle is made to tow and with no drama.

[FishOnOne]

Camper G wrote:

ROBERTSUNRUS wrote:

Camper G wrote:

spoon059 wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
But I will put more faith in fuelly reports of literally millions of miles, (as well as what MotorTrend did for about 30,000 miles each) than someone's neighbors, friends, niece's hairdresser..........

How about a fish's cousin...?

In all honesty, if price were the same between an EB F150 and a Hemi Ram, I think I would lean towards the EB Ford. Hemi is a great engine, no doubt, but the EB makes that power much lower in the band and is really a better engine for towing in the mountains. While I don't always tow in the mountains (Eastern US... so "mountains" is a little misleading...), I tow often enough that I like the power lower.

I'd choose a hemi ram over the Ford EB. Call me old school, but i just don't trust a forced induction engine over the long haul. I'm sure many are fine, it's just my preference. Ford tech maculoco on you tube has a few videos out about issues with the EB and newer F150s in general. He's an excellent ford trained tech, yet he chose a ram ecodiesel over an f150 when he bought a new truck. That's pretty telling to me. He has a video out on his ecodiesel page about why.

Both are good trucks, it's all about what each person values most in the end.

🙂 Hi, he chose the Dodge because the dealer he worked for jerked him around on what was supposed to be a great deal on the Ford. In a tantrum, he bought a Dodge. That was his reason, in his words. He really wanted the Ecoboost. Listening to him is similar to listening to Madonna. Just another You Tube "look at Me!"

You need to go actively listen to the entire video and not from a brand perspective. You see i am a Ford man and have been for a long time now. But anymore these days I'm not brand loyal. I was considering a 17 F250 when i bought my ram but the Ford was so much more money for a truck with far fewer options it was not worth it. Plus in the end i liked the ram better anyway.

Ford tech maculoco's video does state he was dissapointed in his dealer, that is true, that was part of his decision. He also wanted a diesel, that was also part of it. however he also goes into a several known issues the newer f150s have. Far too many for me to list here. His choice was more than just a transaction issue. I find him to be a very good ford tech and from what i can tell, he's an intelligent man who used to work at a Ford dealer so he's seen a lot more than most of us have. He also has a video out about timing chain stretch issues on the EB. He's former military also i trust what he says. His video is not just a rant.

The f150 is a good truck,no question, but like any other brand, it's got issues too. None are perfect.

If anyone wants to watch the video and draw their own conclusions, here's the link.


https://youtu.be/C8RnrdJ_mPA

Here's a review on a 3.5 Ecoboost.... Notice the average fuel economy over a ~3k mile interval as well.

Link

[Camper_G]

ROBERTSUNRUS wrote:

Camper G wrote:

spoon059 wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
But I will put more faith in fuelly reports of literally millions of miles, (as well as what MotorTrend did for about 30,000 miles each) than someone's neighbors, friends, niece's hairdresser..........

How about a fish's cousin...?

In all honesty, if price were the same between an EB F150 and a Hemi Ram, I think I would lean towards the EB Ford. Hemi is a great engine, no doubt, but the EB makes that power much lower in the band and is really a better engine for towing in the mountains. While I don't always tow in the mountains (Eastern US... so "mountains" is a little misleading...), I tow often enough that I like the power lower.

I'd choose a hemi ram over the Ford EB. Call me old school, but i just don't trust a forced induction engine over the long haul. I'm sure many are fine, it's just my preference. Ford tech maculoco on you tube has a few videos out about issues with the EB and newer F150s in general. He's an excellent ford trained tech, yet he chose a ram ecodiesel over an f150 when he bought a new truck. That's pretty telling to me. He has a video out on his ecodiesel page about why.

Both are good trucks, it's all about what each person values most in the end.

🙂 Hi, he chose the Dodge because the dealer he worked for jerked him around on what was supposed to be a great deal on the Ford. In a tantrum, he bought a Dodge. That was his reason, in his words. He really wanted the Ecoboost. Listening to him is similar to listening to Madonna. Just another You Tube "look at Me!"

You need to go actively listen to the entire video and not from a brand perspective. You see i am a Ford man and have been for a long time now. But anymore these days I'm not brand loyal. I was considering a 17 F250 when i bought my ram but the Ford was so much more money for a truck with far fewer options it was not worth it. Plus in the end i liked the ram better anyway.

Ford tech maculoco's video does state he was dissapointed in his dealer, that is true, that was part of his decision. He also wanted a diesel, that was also part of it. however he also goes into a several known issues the newer f150s have. Far too many for me to list here. His choice was more than just a transaction issue. I find him to be a very good ford tech and from what i can tell, he's an intelligent man who used to work at a Ford dealer so he's seen a lot more than most of us have. He also has a video out about timing chain stretch issues on the EB. He's former military also i trust what he says. His video is not just a rant.

The f150 is a good truck,no question, but like any other brand, it's got issues too. None are perfect.

If anyone wants to watch the video and draw their own conclusions, here's the link.


https://youtu.be/C8RnrdJ_mPA

[hvac]

I can say with out hesitation no other 1/2 ton truck exists to be worked like our eco diesel. The ZF 8 speed and air suspension combo is flawless for our annual 5 month nationwide towing application. The vehicle is made to tow and with no drama.

[ROBERTSUNRUS]

Camper G wrote:

spoon059 wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
But I will put more faith in fuelly reports of literally millions of miles, (as well as what MotorTrend did for about 30,000 miles each) than someone's neighbors, friends, niece's hairdresser..........

How about a fish's cousin...?

In all honesty, if price were the same between an EB F150 and a Hemi Ram, I think I would lean towards the EB Ford. Hemi is a great engine, no doubt, but the EB makes that power much lower in the band and is really a better engine for towing in the mountains. While I don't always tow in the mountains (Eastern US... so "mountains" is a little misleading...), I tow often enough that I like the power lower.

I'd choose a hemi ram over the Ford EB. Call me old school, but i just don't trust a forced induction engine over the long haul. I'm sure many are fine, it's just my preference. Ford tech maculoco on you tube has a few videos out about issues with the EB and newer F150s in general. He's an excellent ford trained tech, yet he chose a ram ecodiesel over an f150 when he bought a new truck. That's pretty telling to me. He has a video out on his ecodiesel page about why.

Both are good trucks, it's all about what each person values most in the end.

🙂 Hi, he chose the Dodge because the dealer he worked for jerked him around on what was supposed to be a great deal on the Ford. In a tantrum, he bought a Dodge. That was his reason, in his words. He really wanted the Ecoboost. Listening to him is similar to listening to Madonna. Just another You Tube "look at Me!"

[Camper_G]

spoon059 wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
But I will put more faith in fuelly reports of literally millions of miles, (as well as what MotorTrend did for about 30,000 miles each) than someone's neighbors, friends, niece's hairdresser..........

How about a fish's cousin...?

In all honesty, if price were the same between an EB F150 and a Hemi Ram, I think I would lean towards the EB Ford. Hemi is a great engine, no doubt, but the EB makes that power much lower in the band and is really a better engine for towing in the mountains. While I don't always tow in the mountains (Eastern US... so "mountains" is a little misleading...), I tow often enough that I like the power lower.

I'd choose a hemi ram over the Ford EB. Call me old school, but i just don't trust a forced induction engine over the long haul. I'm sure many are fine, it's just my preference. Ford tech maculoco on you tube has a few videos out about issues with the EB and newer F150s in general. He's an excellent ford trained tech, yet he chose a ram ecodiesel over an f150 when he bought a new truck. That's pretty telling to me. He has a video out on his ecodiesel page about why.

Both are good trucks, it's all about what each person values most in the end.

[spoon059]

Bionic Man wrote:
But I will put more faith in fuelly reports of literally millions of miles, (as well as what MotorTrend did for about 30,000 miles each) than someone's neighbors, friends, niece's hairdresser..........

How about a fish's cousin...?

In all honesty, if price were the same between an EB F150 and a Hemi Ram, I think I would lean towards the EB Ford. Hemi is a great engine, no doubt, but the EB makes that power much lower in the band and is really a better engine for towing in the mountains. While I don't always tow in the mountains (Eastern US... so "mountains" is a little misleading...), I tow often enough that I like the power lower.

[Bionic_Man]

Fast Mopar wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
According to fuelly, the 3.5 averages about 16 MPG. The 2.7 comes in at 18.


The Hemi comes in at about 15 MPG. And the EcoDiesel comes in close to 23.

According to the Motor Trend long term real world test from around 2 years ago, the F150 3.5 Ecoboost averaged around 14.5 mpg for the year and the Hemi Ram averaged around 15.5 mpg for the year. The numbers on the Ford might be a little better now for 2017.

I remember that review as well. Personally, I think it is a little silly to make a decision based on +/- 1 MPG. To me, the moral of the story has always been that while the EcoBoost is a good towing engine, it has little to no advantage over a V8 for fuel economy.

Not surprisingly, someone will come on and "know someone" who does better than what is reported.

But I will put more faith in fuelly reports of literally millions of miles, (as well as what MotorTrend did for about 30,000 miles each) than someone's neighbors, friends, niece's hairdresser..........

[FishOnOne]

Fast Mopar wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
According to fuelly, the 3.5 averages about 16 MPG. The 2.7 comes in at 18.


The Hemi comes in at about 15 MPG. And the EcoDiesel comes in close to 23.

According to the Motor Trend long term real world test from around 2 years ago, the F150 3.5 Ecoboost averaged around 14.5 mpg for the year and the Hemi Ram averaged around 15.5 mpg for the year. The numbers on the Ford might be a little better now for 2017.

I friend of mine has a '12 F150 3.5 EB crew cab 4x4 and long term fuel mileage is 16.4 mpg and drives mostly in town and is hard on the go pedal.

[Fast_Mopar]

Bionic Man wrote:
According to fuelly, the 3.5 averages about 16 MPG. The 2.7 comes in at 18.


The Hemi comes in at about 15 MPG. And the EcoDiesel comes in close to 23.

According to the Motor Trend long term real world test from around 2 years ago, the F150 3.5 Ecoboost averaged around 14.5 mpg for the year and the Hemi Ram averaged around 15.5 mpg for the year. The numbers on the Ford might be a little better now for 2017.

[rjstractor]

FishOnOne wrote:
If I were purchasing a new 1/2 ton truck today it would no doubt be a gas truck since the performance is so much better over the diesel and getting over 20mpg is very respectful.

Unless you could find a leftover '16, gas would be your only choice since the '17 Ecodiesel hasn't been certified for sale yet.

[goducks10]

Fisherman wrote:
If I were purchasing a new 1/2 ton truck today it would no doubt be a gas truck since the performance is so much better over the diesel and getting over 20mpg is very respectful.

If you want maximum fuel economy in a gas truck get a F150 2.7 EB.

Hahahaha, and you'll get to meet every gas station owner as soon as you tow more than a bag of groceries.

Isn't that typical of all gassers when towing?