2017 PSD numbers are in FLT Offical ?

[rhagfo]

Torque Wars: 2017 Ford Super Duty Goes Up To 925 LB-FT and 440 HP Official

Is this truly Official?

[Thunderbolt]

And because you read it that makes it true ? I remember in the 70's and 80's there was a magic magnet you could add to your fuel line to increase mpg. Did it work ? Nope. Did it sell ? Initially you bet it did ! Until people figured out it was a marketing gimmick. You don't need 440hp and 925 lb.ft. of torque to tow with a pickup. The truck itself limits what you can tow. If people think that this will make them able to tow 30,000 lbs with a pickup they are nuts IMHO.Keep the HP and TQ numbers they have and increase fuel economy.

2001400ex wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

2001400ex wrote:
Most not so much emission compliant. However, a tuner can add MPG and make the truck drive better without changing any emissions.

How exactly is this magic done? 3 big companies in the US would love to know how to do this. Billions of dollars are at stake! If you know how to do this, please tell us!

Ask the tuners how they do it. I just know from what I read, a tune on a stock truck adds MPG and makes it drive better.

http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/2011-lml-performance-parts-discussion/253978-duramaxtuner-efilive-lml-tuning-review.html#/forumsite/20663/topics/253978?page=1

[Thunderbolt]

What will be even more interesting is getting those numbers while still maintaining good fuel economy. Power takes fuel and there is a limit. They are already way past what any pickup truck needs. The towing limit of the truck is already at the limit in my opinion. I suppose the towing capacity is 35,000 lbs too. Only a fool would tow even 30,000 lbs with a pickup unless you are a farmer or something using it at low speed for a short distance.

rhagfo wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
Towing just got easier

Fish, towing should already be easy for you, the TT at 11,000# GVWR, would hardly make my 2001 Ram break a sweat (going uphill)!

What will be entertaining in the next couple years is who with be the first to claim 500/1,000!!!

[transamz9]

spoon059 wrote:

transamz9 wrote:
You do have to keep in mind that you are still comparing apples to oranges. You will need to wait until Ram and GM come out with their 2017 numbers before the king of weight can be crowned.

Until we see something else, Ford has taken the "crown" as being able to handle the heaviest weights. If Ram simply ups the numbers for 2017 without changing anything, that is worrisome to me. If the entire team had confidence in having higher ratings, they should already have them.

All this manhood measuring by manufacturers, increasing weights to be a hundred lbs better than the other guy is almost funny.

Congrats to Ford for offering the highest numbers. For people that need that vindication to justify their purchase, they have it. For the majority of people with sense, they won't pull such large weights with a single rear wheel truck, they won't pull even larger weights with a relatively small class 3 truck either.

The reality is that these numbers are insane for a pickup truck. It is all literally a ***** measuring contest at this point... mine is bigger than yours, no MINE is bigger than YOURS...

I concur with common sense, I'd rather see more durable drivetrains, better fuel economy and better pricing. I have long ago been resigned to what God and my family genes gave me... I just want a better overall product.

I already tow 20,000 + with my SRW. Did it with my 2013 and my 2005 too.

[2001400ex]

spoon059 wrote:

transamz9 wrote:
You do have to keep in mind that you are still comparing apples to oranges. You will need to wait until Ram and GM come out with their 2017 numbers before the king of weight can be crowned.

Until we see something else, Ford has taken the "crown" as being able to handle the heaviest weights. If Ram simply ups the numbers for 2017 without changing anything, that is worrisome to me. If the entire team had confidence in having higher ratings, they should already have them.

All this manhood measuring by manufacturers, increasing weights to be a hundred lbs better than the other guy is almost funny.

Congrats to Ford for offering the highest numbers. For people that need that vindication to justify their purchase, they have it. For the majority of people with sense, they won't pull such large weights with a single rear wheel truck, they won't pull even larger weights with a relatively small class 3 truck either.

The reality is that these numbers are insane for a pickup truck. It is all literally a ***** measuring contest at this point... mine is bigger than yours, no MINE is bigger than YOURS...

I concur with common sense, I'd rather see more durable drivetrains, better fuel economy and better pricing. I have long ago been resigned to what God and my family genes gave me... I just want a better overall product.

Not to mention, people get caught up in numbers and forget that drive train efficiency matters. Tests have shown that the 397/765 Chevy out pulls the 400/800 Ford from 2011. Reality is, both will pull anything you want.

[spoon059]

transamz9 wrote:
You do have to keep in mind that you are still comparing apples to oranges. You will need to wait until Ram and GM come out with their 2017 numbers before the king of weight can be crowned.

Until we see something else, Ford has taken the "crown" as being able to handle the heaviest weights. If Ram simply ups the numbers for 2017 without changing anything, that is worrisome to me. If the entire team had confidence in having higher ratings, they should already have them.

All this manhood measuring by manufacturers, increasing weights to be a hundred lbs better than the other guy is almost funny.

Congrats to Ford for offering the highest numbers. For people that need that vindication to justify their purchase, they have it. For the majority of people with sense, they won't pull such large weights with a single rear wheel truck, they won't pull even larger weights with a relatively small class 3 truck either.

The reality is that these numbers are insane for a pickup truck. It is all literally a ***** measuring contest at this point... mine is bigger than yours, no MINE is bigger than YOURS...

I concur with common sense, I'd rather see more durable drivetrains, better fuel economy and better pricing. I have long ago been resigned to what God and my family genes gave me... I just want a better overall product.

[transamz9]

Adam R wrote:
Some guys posted up a number of spec sheets from the Denver Ford event this week over on FTE.

The 2017 F-350 SRW 4x4 crew cab has a GCWR of 28,700 lbs and a max GN towing capability of 20,200 lbs.

The best numbers I could find for a Ram 3500 SRW 4x4 crew cab was 17,100 lbs.

3,100 lb towing difference for a SRW is pretty impressive. Looks like Ford is in the lead now.

The 2017 F-350 Dually 4x4 crew cab has a GCWR of 40,000 lbs and a max GN towing capability of 31,000 lbs.

The best numbers I could find for a Ram 3500 Dually 4x4 crew cab was 30,300.

Slightly edges out Ram by 700 lbs, but it puts Ford in the lead until Ram ups the ante.

Adam

You do have to keep in mind that you are still comparing apples to oranges. You will need to wait until Ram and GM come out with their 2017 numbers before the king of weight can be crowned.

I would love to see these manufactures quit upping the hp and give these trucks 18 gears and a 1000 lbft of torque. I predict a 2 speed rear end for the future. They are going to start having a hard time keeping the differentials cool in these trucks if they keep on. At some point they are going to have to do something the the rear gearing to help. This it truly the only reason the SRW trucks have such a low tow rating compared to the DRW trucks. The are limited to the high rear gear ratios.

[Adam_R]

Some guys posted up a number of spec sheets from the Denver Ford event this week over on FTE.

The 2017 F-350 SRW 4x4 crew cab has a GCWR of 28,700 lbs and a max GN towing capability of 20,200 lbs.

The best numbers I could find for a Ram 3500 SRW 4x4 crew cab was 17,100 lbs.

3,100 lb towing difference for a SRW is pretty impressive. Looks like Ford is in the lead now.

The 2017 F-350 Dually 4x4 crew cab has a GCWR of 40,000 lbs and a max GN towing capability of 31,000 lbs.

The best numbers I could find for a Ram 3500 Dually 4x4 crew cab was 30,300.

Slightly edges out Ram by 700 lbs, but it puts Ford in the lead until Ram ups the ante.

Adam

[Cummins12V98]

transamz9 wrote:

Adam R wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Well, maybe it's time for Ram to put together a 4500 pickup?"

Don't think there is any reason to do so. Ford already is competing with the RAM 3500 with it's F450. I am sure that is enough reason for RAM to leave well enough alone.

That would be with their 2 wheel drive single cab dually? That's what Ram uses to claim their current highest available tow numbers. Not sure what the take rate on a 2wd single cab dually is, but it can't be very high. If you want to compare apples to apples, let's see the numbers of the F350 4x4 crew cab vs. the Ram 3500 4x4 crew cab since that is the most popular configuration these days. Then do the same comparison for Ford's upcoming 2017 model. Ford easily trumps Ram's current offerings and does it with a crew cab and 4wd standard.

2017 Rams are not out yet so we will have to use 2016.

2016 Ram Crew Cab 4X4 Long Bed DRW with 4.10:1 Max trailer is 30,310# with max payload of 5,680#

2016 Ford F350 4X4 Long Bed DRW with 4.30:1 Max trailer is 26,500# with max payload of 6,460#.

Let's remember the F250/350 is NOT SAE rated but the 450 is.

[transamz9]

Adam R wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Well, maybe it's time for Ram to put together a 4500 pickup?"

Don't think there is any reason to do so. Ford already is competing with the RAM 3500 with it's F450. I am sure that is enough reason for RAM to leave well enough alone.

That would be with their 2 wheel drive single cab dually? That's what Ram uses to claim their current highest available tow numbers. Not sure what the take rate on a 2wd single cab dually is, but it can't be very high. If you want to compare apples to apples, let's see the numbers of the F350 4x4 crew cab vs. the Ram 3500 4x4 crew cab since that is the most popular configuration these days. Then do the same comparison for Ford's upcoming 2017 model. Ford easily trumps Ram's current offerings and does it with a crew cab and 4wd standard.

2017 Rams are not out yet so we will have to use 2016.

2016 Ram Crew Cab 4X4 Long Bed DRW with 4.10:1 Max trailer is 30,310# with max payload of 5,680#

2016 Ford F350 4X4 Long Bed DRW with 4.30:1 Max trailer is 26,500# with max payload of 6,460#.

[Cummins12V98]

Adam R wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Well, maybe it's time for Ram to put together a 4500 pickup?"

Don't think there is any reason to do so. Ford already is competing with the RAM 3500 with it's F450. I am sure that is enough reason for RAM to leave well enough alone.

That would be with their 2 wheel drive single cab dually? That's what Ram uses to claim their current highest available tow numbers. Not sure what the take rate on a 2wd single cab dually is, but it can't be very high. If you want to compare apples to apples, let's see the numbers of the F350 4x4 crew cab vs. the Ram 3500 4x4 crew cab since that is the most popular configuration these days. Then do the same comparison for Ford's upcoming 2017 model. Ford easily trumps Ram's current offerings and does it with a crew cab and 4wd standard.

The F450 SHOULD blow the RAM away in it's SAE ratings. Remember it's ford that feels the need to compare the 450 instead of the 350 to the 3500 RAM.

You can say it's standard but I say VERY limited.

Ford has had 18 years to design the 17 HD trucks so they SHOULD lead every single category.

Then it will be GM and RAM's turn to up it all again.

[Bird_Freak]

Me Again wrote:
Sounds to me reading on another forum, that Ford put a lot of effort into bells and whistles vs a HUUUUUUGE (as the Donald would say) power increase.

So welcome to the world of electrical gremlins! Have they gotten their sync system flying right yet?

Chris

Hate to bust your bubble but no gremlins with either of our 2015's. You must not have any first hand experience with them.:B Are you related to Troy? Sorry couldn't help myself.:B

[rhagfo]

Adam R wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Well, maybe it's time for Ram to put together a 4500 pickup?"

Don't think there is any reason to do so. Ford already is competing with the RAM 3500 with it's F450. I am sure that is enough reason for RAM to leave well enough alone.

That would be with their 2 wheel drive single cab dually? That's what Ram uses to claim their current highest available tow numbers. Not sure what the take rate on a 2wd single cab dually is, but it can't be very high. If you want to compare apples to apples, let's see the numbers of the F350 4x4 crew cab vs. the Ram 3500 4x4 crew cab since that is the most popular configuration these days. Then do the same comparison for Ford's upcoming 2017 model. Ford easily trumps Ram's current offerings and does it with a crew cab and 4wd standard.

Well it is the Maximum, Ford and GM all do the same. Ford use to drop the rear bumper and spare tire.

[Adam_R]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Well, maybe it's time for Ram to put together a 4500 pickup?"

Don't think there is any reason to do so. Ford already is competing with the RAM 3500 with it's F450. I am sure that is enough reason for RAM to leave well enough alone.

That would be with their 2 wheel drive single cab dually? That's what Ram uses to claim their current highest available tow numbers. Not sure what the take rate on a 2wd single cab dually is, but it can't be very high. If you want to compare apples to apples, let's see the numbers of the F350 4x4 crew cab vs. the Ram 3500 4x4 crew cab since that is the most popular configuration these days. Then do the same comparison for Ford's upcoming 2017 model. Ford easily trumps Ram's current offerings and does it with a crew cab and 4wd standard.

[Cummins12V98]

"Well, maybe it's time for Ram to put together a 4500 pickup?"

Don't think there is any reason to do so. Ford already is competing with the RAM 3500 with it's F450. I am sure that is enough reason for RAM to leave well enough alone.