Advice on these scale weights

[garyp4951]

I've been kicking tires on a new used truck, and know I am at the max for a 2500. Current truck is 03, Dodge 2500 ccsb Cummins 345hp 4x4, 8800gvrw. I know a dually would be best, but just asking opinions. I'm looking at Dodge, and Chevy 2 to 3 years old. Being just retired, I want to get it right, and hit the road. BTW my truck does pretty good, even with almost 200k miles.

5th wheel is a 2013 Silverback 29RE 10,400 Dry

Empty: Steer 4240, Drive 2980 = 7220
Loaded: Steer 4100, Drive 5520, Trl 9060 = 18,680
Looks like pin wt. is 2540 + 9060 = 11,600 Trl. wt.

This was with the water tank empty.

[john_bet]

For an empty dry weight trailer I don't believe your numbers add up. Your loaded numbers are closer to my loaded numbers on my 2500 and Montana. Just my observation.

[wintersun]

I continue to be surprised for god knows what reason when I read knee jerk reactions and dumb comments that you need a DRW truck heavy trailers. Based on your scale weighings the 5th wheel is putting a load on the two rear tires of 5520 lbs. or 2760 lbs. per tire.

Good luck trying to find a E-rated tire with less than 3195 lbs. load capacity. That provides a cushion of 870 lbs. so saying you need two more tires is dumb. Sorry but it truly ignores very simple math.

Easy to find tires from Nitto and Toyo that will work on the stock rims and provide 3750@80 PSI for a total load capacity at the rear axle of 7500 lbs. for an excess load capacity of 1980 lbs.

I have pulled horse trailers weighing over 12,000 lbs. with SRW trucks and I have two friends who each have been towing 13,5000 lb. 5th wheel trailers with their SRW diesel pickups all over the USA.

The absolute need for 4 tires for a 5520 lb. load assumes that each tire has a capacity of only 1380 lbs. which my small boat trailer tires provide.

For grins the next time you take a long trip count the number of 5th wheel travel trailers being towed by a SRW and DRW truck. I have been doing this for the past several years and my tally is always 4 out of 5 are SRW and 1 out of 5 are DRW trucks. Somehow I guess that 4 out of 5 people have figured out that the load on the rear axle can easily be supported by their two E-rated tires.

[RCMAN46]

My math with numbers you supplied I get a pin weight of 2400 and a trailer weight of 11460.
That will calculate to a pin percentage of about 20%. A little low for a 5th wheel.

[ib516]

garyp4951 wrote:

ib516 wrote:
Any of the newer 2500/3500 SRW or DRW trucks will handle that load just fine.

Just as an example, my 2007 3500 SRW has:
- Front GAWR 5200#
- Rear GAWR 6200#
- GVWR 10,100#

The 2014 2500 I just ordered has:
- Front GAWR 5500#
- Rear GAWR 6500#
- GVWR 10,000#

Did you order a long or short bed, and 4.10 gears. That payload is great for a 2500.

6'4" bed. Payload will be around 3000#.

[rhagfo]

garyp4951 wrote:

jason4598 wrote:
Are you having problems with old truck?

Nothing major wrong, but the steering gear box is going to need to be replaced, and the rear main seal is starting to leak a little. My trade in value is also getting lower with time.

Well have you been tracking asking price for 2nd and 3rd gen Rams. Not going down, seems to be holding steady, at least in the PNW.

[garyp4951]

ib516 wrote:
Any of the newer 2500/3500 SRW or DRW trucks will handle that load just fine.

Just as an example, my 2007 3500 SRW has:
- Front GAWR 5200#
- Rear GAWR 6200#
- GVWR 10,100#

The 2014 2500 I just ordered has:
- Front GAWR 5500#
- Rear GAWR 6500#
- GVWR 10,000#

Did you order a long or short bed, and 4.10 gears. That payload is great for a 2500.

[garyp4951]

jason4598 wrote:
Are you having problems with old truck?

Nothing major wrong, but the steering gear box is going to need to be replaced, and the rear main seal is starting to leak a little. My trade in value is also getting lower with time.

[spud1957]

You don't need a dually for those weights but it would be a nice TV. Any gas/diesel 1 ton will be plenty. If you find a 3/4 ton to your liking, just be sure it has the payload capacity you need. For me, I would want close to 3K payload (door sticker payload). If you are looking at diesels, it might be difficult to find a 3/4 ton with available payload that's close to 3k lbs.

S

[ricatic]

rhagfo wrote:

Leeblev wrote:
If you are looking at a 5er with that much weight dry, you need a dually. Please do yourself a favor and look at the pin weight on the fiver; the GVWR of the fiver and the GCVWR (Gross COMBINED vehicle weight rating) of the truck. While I realize that the pin weight will be below the weight rating of the truck, you also have to take into account the total weight of both vehicles (GCVW) I would also encourage you not to consider the dry weight because you can't always tell what the MFGR included in that weight. It does not include propane, water, anything you put in the fiver and may not include the weight(s) of any slides or any other equipment such as generators, etc. In reality, you need to keep the weight of the two vehicles under 80% of the GCVWR of the truck.
Now, I know a number of people will post saying things like: I pull more weight than that without ever having had a problem. I dont believe them. Stay within your proper weights and you will be much happier and with less stress.
Look inside one of the cabinets in your kitchen to find the correct weights.

You for SURE you DON'T need a Dually to tow/carry a 5er that "Heavy"! Some newer 2500's have enough payload to carry it, but a 3500 SRW will do just fine.
I tow just a little lighter 5er than that with my 2500, and have no suspension enhancements other than Bilstien5100 shocks. My truck settles about 1.5" which brings it just a little better tan level.

x 2...and I now have a dually...while his posted loaded overall weight is about a 1000 pounds less than my Big Horn, his pin weight is very close to mine. I pulled the 13000 pounds Big Horn with a 2011 F350 CC SB 4x4 diesel and had margins available on all ratings...

Without question, the 1 ton SRW truck handled the load just fine...but also without question, the dually is even more stable. My reason for going dually was for the "next" trailer which will certainly be bigger...and likely a toy hauler...

Regards

[ib516]

Any of the newer 2500/3500 SRW or DRW trucks will handle that load just fine.

Just as an example, my 2007 3500 SRW has:
- Front GAWR 5200#
- Rear GAWR 6200#
- GVWR 10,100#

The 2014 2500 I just ordered has:
- Front GAWR 5500#
- Rear GAWR 6500#
- GVWR 10,000#

[jason4598]

Are you having problems with old truck?

[kzspree320]

I don't know what your axle weight ratings are, but your loaded axle weights are about 500 lbs under both my FAWR and RAWR. My truck is an 08 Dodge 2500 with 6.7 CTD. If this weight was ready to camp, I would say you are OK if your axle weight ratings are about the same as mine. Look at the label inside the drivers door jamb. My label shows FAWR of 4,750 and RAWR of 6,010. Good luck.

[rhagfo]

Leeblev wrote:
If you are looking at a 5er with that much weight dry, you need a dually. Please do yourself a favor and look at the pin weight on the fiver; the GVWR of the fiver and the GCVWR (Gross COMBINED vehicle weight rating) of the truck. While I realize that the pin weight will be below the weight rating of the truck, you also have to take into account the total weight of both vehicles (GCVW) I would also encourage you not to consider the dry weight because you can't always tell what the MFGR included in that weight. It does not include propane, water, anything you put in the fiver and may not include the weight(s) of any slides or any other equipment such as generators, etc. In reality, you need to keep the weight of the two vehicles under 80% of the GCVWR of the truck.
Now, I know a number of people will post saying things like: I pull more weight than that without ever having had a problem. I dont believe them. Stay within your proper weights and you will be much happier and with less stress.
Look inside one of the cabinets in your kitchen to find the correct weights.

You for SURE you DON'T need a Dually to tow/carry a 5er that "Heavy"! Some newer 2500's have enough payload to carry it, but a 3500 SRW will do just fine.
I tow just a little lighter 5er than that with my 2500, and have no suspension enhancements other than Bilstien5100 shocks. My truck settles about 1.5" which brings it just a little better tan level.

[Leeblev]

If you are looking at a 5er with that much weight dry, you need a dually. Please do yourself a favor and look at the pin weight on the fiver; the GVWR of the fiver and the GCVWR (Gross COMBINED vehicle weight rating) of the truck. While I realize that the pin weight will be below the weight rating of the truck, you also have to take into account the total weight of both vehicles (GCVW) I would also encourage you not to consider the dry weight because you can't always tell what the MFGR included in that weight. It does not include propane, water, anything you put in the fiver and may not include the weight(s) of any slides or any other equipment such as generators, etc. In reality, you need to keep the weight of the two vehicles under 80% of the GCVWR of the truck.
Now, I know a number of people will post saying things like: I pull more weight than that without ever having had a problem. I dont believe them. Stay within your proper weights and you will be much happier and with less stress.
Look inside one of the cabinets in your kitchen to find the correct weights.