Baby Duramax (Canyon/Colorado)

[ib516]

With an exhaust brake, 7700# maximum tow rating (small cab, 2wd), and a $3700 premium over the gas V6.

Baby Duramax

[deltabravo]

rjstractor wrote:
That's a bad link it appears.

Yep, it was bad. Had an extra space in it. Fixed it

Here it is again

[Lantley]

ken56 wrote:
Pricing will hurt them. I think there is definitely a place for these trucks but for anyone who wants to tow a modest size travel trailer this is not your choice. For the same price you will be able to get a 1/2 ton full size with more payload, even though it may be a gasser, not diesel. I see no advantage. I have a Silverado 1500 crew and tow 6500 lb. 30ft. Coleman TT no problem. I don't think the Colorado would handle that. Now, like I said before, I think there is a place for these trucks, just not with pulling a TT of any comfortable size. Little ones, sure, like Tabs or pop ups or AR Ones. To each his own.

That seems to be the big debate/challenge. Do you buy the mid size diesel for the increased MPG's or do you buy it for the towing power? Is there a happy median.
I agree there is a niche for these smaller diesel trucks but is it big enough to create a viable market.

[ken56]

Pricing will hurt them. I think there is definitely a place for these trucks but for anyone who wants to tow a modest size travel trailer this is not your choice. For the same price you will be able to get a 1/2 ton full size with more payload, even though it may be a gasser, not diesel. I see no advantage. I have a Silverado 1500 crew and tow 6500 lb. 30ft. Coleman TT no problem. I don't think the Colorado would handle that. Now, like I said before, I think there is a place for these trucks, just not with pulling a TT of any comfortable size. Little ones, sure, like Tabs or pop ups or AR Ones. To each his own.

[RobertRyan]

Lessmore wrote:
Looks good to me. Nice to have a diesel option in a mid sized pick up. It's only 2.8 liters...but that should do the trick for light to medium towing. If you want more...then you need to go up to a full size pickup.

Want more than a full sized pickup... then go up to a Class 5 to 8 truck. It's all about desires, needs and what options are out there to fulfill what you want/need.

This mid size diesel has just increased available possibilities. Some people, many years ago bought diesel Toyota and Nissan pickups. They have not been available in North America for awhile. Now that's changed...smaller diesel trucks are here again.

How good it is...well I'll wait for the first reviews and actual tests.

It is an exploding market outside NA. Mercedes is just about to join it

[jus2shy]

ksss wrote:
I don't really get GM's restrictions on the diesel. Why restrict it to crew only why not offer it in all available configurations? The wife and I checked out a midi GMC the other day. It was nice, we didn't drive it but I would like to see a Denali version as an option. I don't know if they have plans for that or not but I would like to see it. If they can hit 37 mpg on the highway, they will sell. With reasonable towing numbers and that kind of mileage that will move some pickups. I saw the projected sales numbers somewhere and I thought they were way conservative. It was somewhere around 10% take rate on the little Duramax if I remember correctly.

The restriction is most likely to guarantee space for all the emissions equipment. The Ecodiesel on the RAM 1500 isn't sold on a single cab short box configuration IIRC. Or it could be that they know crew cabs sell the most for any type of truck now a days and they figure it's a good enough type of deal. Only GM knows.

[rjstractor]

That's a bad link it appears. $40K might be a tough price point for that truck the way they are packaging it. You can pick up a Ram 1500 Ecodiesel 4x4 Crewcab, just the Tradesman trim but with some nice options for about $35K, although that's on a $42Kish MSRP. I really like the Colorado but I don't know if it will be a good value compared to the bigger, more powerful Ram Eco that likely can be had for less money.

[deltabravo]

Baby Duramax equipped trucks finally started shipping to dealers within the last two weeks.

Ive been following discussions on the Colorado/Canyon forums periodically. I few owners have them in their hands now, and I think the most miles on one yet is about 1200.

Duramax option adds $3905, and also requires a few other option packages.

From what I can tell, most of the Duramax trucks are over $40k
Here's one in Ponderay, ID

[ksss]

I don't really get GM's restrictions on the diesel. Why restrict it to crew only why not offer it in all available configurations? The wife and I checked out a midi GMC the other day. It was nice, we didn't drive it but I would like to see a Denali version as an option. I don't know if they have plans for that or not but I would like to see it. If they can hit 37 mpg on the highway, they will sell. With reasonable towing numbers and that kind of mileage that will move some pickups. I saw the projected sales numbers somewhere and I thought they were way conservative. It was somewhere around 10% take rate on the little Duramax if I remember correctly.

[RobertRyan]

jerem0621 wrote:

LimogesMan wrote:
Good initiative but a bit late to the party. RAM stole the show with its new diesel in the 1500. Size asside there is no advantage going diesel in the midsize truck.
I bet the will sell less than predicted.

Maybe...it's an entirely new market...

I am in wait and see mode. I think the upgrade price is too high. But we will see what the market can handle.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

Price could be a killer in the U.S. Those sort of margins are non existent here, as diesels are much more common

[RobertRyan]

ricatic wrote:

gbopp wrote:
It will be interesting to see the actual MPG. That could influence sales, maybe.

I believe the mid 30's MPG numbers being documented and turned in by the second party testers that work with my stepson are a good indication of what to expect.He has no reason to make up the numbers

Regards

That is what you will get in U.S. gallons, I suspect . Scratching my head how the U.S. Regulations affect the Colorado, as the Horsepower and torque are exactly the same as the Euro V versions sold outside NA. Engine made in Thailand. I know Euro VI really cuts horsepower and torque

[RobertRyan]

Lessmore wrote:
Looks good to me. Nice to have a diesel option in a mid sized pick up. It's only 2.8 liters...but that should do the trick for light to medium towing. If you want more...then you need to go up to a full size pickup.

Want more than a full sized pickup... then go up to a Class 5 to 8 truck. It's all about desires, needs and what options are out there to fulfill what you want/need.

This mid size diesel has just increased available possibilities. Some people, many years ago bought diesel Toyota and Nissan pickups. They have not been available in North America for awhile. Now that's changed...smaller diesel trucks are here again.

How good it is...well I'll wait for the first reviews and actual tests.

What is interesting the horsepower and torque are exactly the same as the Holden Colorado
using the same VMmotori engine. The Holden is Euro V specification, so what difference between it and the U.S. regulations?

[IdaD]

ricatic wrote:
Is Dave Smith as good at Chevy pricing as he is said to be with Ram...I am not afraid to travel to save some money...

Dave Smith's pricing on Rams isn't actually that great, or at least it wasn't in my experience.

[FishOnOne]

45Ricochet wrote:
Pretty big boy? Well after the aging process I now stand about 6'1" and 196 lbs as of this morning. I did lose 30 last year just by counting calories.
New truck is rated at 7k towing, am I missing something?
Boat link weight
Actually my older one is about 500 lbs lighter unladen.

No wonder why I drive a Super Duty... I'm 6'4' and 240lbs while not counting calories. :B

I'm sure you know as well, but the aerodynamics of a boat isn't the best when towing, but perhaps yours with more covered deck area it doesn't create as much drag.

[45Ricochet]

Pretty big boy? Well after the aging process I now stand about 6'1" and 196 lbs as of this morning. I did lose 30 last year just by counting calories.
New truck is rated at 7k towing, am I missing something?
Boat link weight
Actually my older one is about 500 lbs lighter unladen.