Oct-10-2016 06:31 PM
Oct-18-2016 05:54 PM
campigloo wrote:
Diesel, if I'm so out of it, why have none of the predictions come to pass? We've been told we would be under a block of ice in twenty years and told multiple times the planet would be uninhabitable in just a few years because of excessive heat. When it doesn't happen the government funded "scientists" simply announce a later date. How do you explain a growing ice pack in the Antarctic?
Maybe you're the one that needs to do some fact checking.
Oct-18-2016 04:27 PM
Oct-18-2016 04:19 PM
Oct-17-2016 11:56 AM
wilber1 wrote:
I'm one of those older folks.
I think government has to provide some kind of direction for the future because the market won't. We see it all the time. When fuel prices go down, sales of gas guzzlers go up and fuel efficient vehicles go down. When fuel prices go up, the opposite happens and in both cases manufacturers supply what the customer is buying.
Our air and water is cleaner than 50 years ago in spite of a 50% increase in population Whether you like how they have done it or not, the EPA has to get a lot of the credit for that.
Oct-16-2016 07:32 PM
Why does the name of this scientific problem keep changing? It started out as global cooling. Next it was global warming then man made global warming and now it's climate change. It seems to me that these computer models keep changing to meet the demands of the desired result.
Oct-16-2016 04:57 PM
blofgren wrote:
LOL thanks for the laugh! :B
We are enjoying the Presidential debates here in Canada.
Oct-16-2016 04:15 PM
Oct-16-2016 03:51 PM
Oct-14-2016 08:30 PM
thomasmnile wrote:wilber1 wrote:
CAFE standards have to be an honest, realistic collaboration between government and industry taking into account what is possible with existing technology. Vehicles that are more fuel efficient are a good thing.
Very well said. Um, you wouldn't be available to run for President of the United States, would you? :B We're a quart low on reasonable and common sense down here............
Oct-14-2016 07:30 PM
Oct-14-2016 07:01 PM
Not everything the government tells you is true or accurate
When I was a kid, there were assemblies in school with groups telling us the Earth was going to enter another ice age if we didn't stop polluting. Now, oops, it's warming. Or is it? 11 year solar cycle, natural patterns...
Follow the money. It will show you who has what agenda.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and funded by unintended consequences. Environmentalists used to love the hydroelectric power plants on the Columbia River. Now they hate them because "they warm the river". They used to love CFB's, and got laws in place to mandate them. Now they hate them. The list goes on.
Some of the older folks have been around long enough to know this. It might be wise to listen to them, and try to balance your views.
Oct-14-2016 04:22 PM
Oct-14-2016 07:58 AM
Oct-13-2016 01:09 PM
ramgunner wrote:daved9664 wrote:
As a 20 something year old Im happy to see emission regulations. Sure there are some hiccups afterword, but it puts the pressure on manufacturers to create technology that does not destroy our air quality, environment, mine and your children's and grand children's futures. Fossil fuels are an age old technology. Tesla found out how to create electricity out of thin air decades ago.... I think we can find a happy medium where these rich folks can make a few dollars while not destroying the environment. It's way over due for changes like these and Im not sorry if some older folk get upset about "scary changes" if it's for the better.
Just keep in mind that some of those "older folk" have enough experience under their belts to realize several things...
> Not everything the government tells you is true or accurate (lookup "downwinders" who were told there was no danger to them from above-ground nuclear testing). When I was a kid, there were assemblies in school with groups telling us the Earth was going to enter another ice age if we didn't stop polluting. Now, oops, it's warming. Or is it? 11 year solar cycle, natural patterns...
> Follow the money. It will show you who has what agenda.
> The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and funded by unintended consequences. Environmentalists used to love the hydroelectric power plants on the Columbia River. Now they hate them because "they warm the river". They used to love CFB's, and got laws in place to mandate them. Now they hate them. The list goes on.
When you allow government to regulate something, all of these factors come into play - often with the last one being what ends up hurting everyone.
Some of the older folks have been around long enough to know this. It might be wise to listen to them, and try to balance your views.
I've heard from some "enviro-people" that feel no one should have anything bigger than a Prius. When asked about towing a trailer, or living in an RV (which can reduce your carbon footprint), it was actually suggested that "you should have to pay someone with a super clean truck that pays big taxes to offset their emissions to tow it for you, or just leave it where it is".
There is a value to freedom. Some are eager to give up their freedom with the promise that "they" will take care of you. Be careful what you ask for.