Can my 06 Tundra tow this?

[BeerBrewer]

I'm interested in purchasing a Lance 2375 trailer and I'm wondering if my 2006 can safely tow it.

According to the manual my truck can pull 12,100 lbs with a 700 lb tongue wt. My truck weighs 5000 lbs, with me in it and a full tank of gas. Which leaves 7100 lbs for the trailer and cargo.

The trailer specs are as follows.
Overall Length 28'0"
Gross Dry Weight 5030 Lbs.
Hitch Dry Weight 600 Lbs.
Axle Weight 4430 Lbs.
Cargo Carrying Capacity 1970 Lbs.
GVWR 7000 Lbs.
Fresh Tank 45 Gallons
Grey Tank 45 Gallons
Black Tank 45 Gallons

I know the TT cargo capacity is 1970 but since it is just the wife and I that we'd be some where around 1000 lbs.

Thoughts?

Thanks,

Bob

[BenK]

Huge difference between 'can' and 'rated' for it...and...gotta understand how the OEM's derived their 'ratings'

Huge part of how they derived it has embedded in that process & decision(s) are warranty and liabiity

Remember...a 'compact car' has a video towing a 747 and a 'half ton pickup truck' has a video towing the Space Shuttle...so proves that they 'can' tow it...

How long 'can' they tow it...how safely they 'can' tow it...how will the OEM warranty anything on that TV that 'can' tow those things? and a host of other questions that boils down to a money bottom line. Not to mention getting stuck in the boonies with someone in the passenger seat mad as a wet hen...then the cost of that situation...

So if the sales person said "it 'can' tow it"...they are right...heck even if they said "it is 'rated' to tow it"...they might be right, as the TV in most cases is NOT the model the OEMs used to derive their MTWR

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BeerBrewer wrote:
I'm interested in purchasing a Lance 2375 trailer and I'm wondering if my 2006 can safely tow it.

According to the manual my truck can pull 12,100 lbs with a 700 lb tongue wt. My truck weighs 5000 lbs, with me in it and a full tank of gas. Which leaves 7100 lbs for the trailer and cargo.

So your OEM GCWR is 12,000

And you have a good understanding of how that works via your simple math. Plus taking the time to actually weigh your TV

So, since you get it...am writing more of an info thread for the lurkers out there who do things via what they read on these freebie forums

The trailer specs are as follows.
Overall Length 28'0"
Gross Dry Weight 5030 Lbs.

Hitch Dry Weight 600 Lbs.

only good as a general reference for what that trailers tongue will be when loaded up ready to go RV'ing

Axle Weight 4430 Lbs.

am assuming you weighed it and this is the actual weight...simple math indicates so with the below info

Cargo Carrying Capacity 1970 Lbs.
GVWR 7000 Lbs.
Fresh Tank 45 Gallons
Grey Tank 45 Gallons
Black Tank 45 Gallons

I know the TT cargo capacity is 1970 but since it is just the wife and I that we'd be some where around 1000 lbs.

Thoughts?

Congrats...not many both know HOW2 derive this and that you took the time to both go out and actually weigh it and post here

Thank you!!!!

Thanks,

Bob

[Ron3rd]

The 3/4 ton truck will open up a world of possibilities for you. You won't regret it

[BeerBrewer]

Oh I didn't mean to imply that an RV salesmen gave me the bad advice, because he didn't. He just showed us trailers that he thought were in the 1/2 tom truck tow-able range and said that we'd need to investigate further. So no foul there.

No we're getting the bad advice across dinner table during family functions. You see I have a few self proclaimed "Truck/Towing" experts in the family that offer unasked for advice and opinions. When relatives hear that we are planning upon buying an RV they always say "buy one with a bunk room and extra beds, so I can come". To which I reply, "my truck can't pull that" and then they always say "but, you have a big Truck!" and then O ave to listen to stories about uncle Bills friend who tows a 30 ft TT with a Jeep....and it goes on and on. I just end the discussions with "I don't care what stupid *** friend does with his Jeep, but I'm not risking getting into an accident". Now my wife believes me when I tell her that my truck can't pull a very big trailer, but I just thought she should hear it from others.

Not only do these relatives offer unwanted/wrong towing advice, but we also get to listen to their bogus economic studies about the merits of RVing vs "Hoteling" and they wonder why we want to get away!

I thank you all for taking the time to offer you opinions!

[Ron3rd]

BeerBrewer wrote:
I have to thank you all for conferming what I suspected but was told otherwise by a so called expert. Admititly, I don'thave a lot of towing experience but I did not think my Tundra could handle that TT even though we were told that it could. Don't get me wrong but I love my Tundra, it has served me well and I hate getting rid of it with so little miles on it, but I agree with you all that it can't pull the TT that we would like. So I'm now planning to upgrade to at least a 3/4 ton truck, once I get over the sticker shock!

Smart move. I loved both of my Tundras too

[BeerBrewer]

I have to thank you all for conferming what I suspected but was told otherwise by a so called expert. Admititly, I don'thave a lot of towing experience but I did not think my Tundra could handle that TT even though we were told that it could. Don't get me wrong but I love my Tundra, it has served me well and I hate getting rid of it with so little miles on it, but I agree with you all that it can't pull the TT that we would like. So I'm now planning to upgrade to at least a 3/4 ton truck, once I get over the sticker shock!

[Ron3rd]

JIMNLIN wrote:
Brewer...your trucks GVWR and FAWR/RAWR are on the trucks certification placard on the drivers side door post.
You say the truck has a 12000 lb GVWR. I bet that's a typo and should read 12000 lb GCWR (gross combined weight rating = truck and trailer).

Being a older model engine its down on power compared to the newer gen trucks. I doubt you will like towing max with that small engine.

..not only is it down on power, it's a much smaller truck too. The 2007 up (second generation) Tundras were much bigger, more power, and had a much beefier frame and rear axle. Some argued at the time it approached 3/4 ton capability.

As to towing specs, the First Generation Tundras were "rated" to tow around 7200 lbs max if properly equipped. This DOES NOT mean they could tow a 7200 lb travel trailer! Payload would max out early.

When I had my 2000 Tundra with the 4.7 v8, I towed a 25 ft Travel Trailer that was about 6500 lbs fully loaded. I always felt the Little Tundra was at it's limit and really had its hands full. I upgraded to the 2007 Tundra (second gen) with the 5.7 v8 and it felt like I just went to a 3/4 ton truck! The 2007 was much heavier, more stable, and with 401 ft lbs of torque, 6 speed trans and 4.30 rear end, much more powerful.

[Grit_dog]

^Welcom to the party boys!
Yes we've established that a 2006 Tundra does Not have a 12k gvw, or even a 12k tow rating...

[valhalla360]

I'm betting the 12000lb number is the GCVWR (combined truck and trailer max weight). That is only one limit:
- Max payload of the truck? (hitch weight is part of this and likely north of 900lb for a 7000lb trailer)
- Max hitch weight which it appears to be over (you might get higher with a weight distributing hitch).
- Tow rating of truck: basically pulling power
- Rear Axle Rating
- Maximum Frontal area: An RV has a lot more drag than a low utility trailer of the same weight.

Pulling the stats for your truck would be the first step but it looks like you are at or above a few of the limits. This assumes you carry little to no other cargo in the truck.

[JIMNLIN]

Brewer...your trucks GVWR and FAWR/RAWR are on the trucks certification placard on the drivers side door post.
You say the truck has a 12000 lb GVWR. I bet that's a typo and should read 12000 lb GCWR (gross combined weight rating = truck and trailer).

Being a older model engine its down on power compared to the newer gen trucks. I doubt you will like towing max with that small engine.

[Ron3rd]

2007 up Tundra with the 5.7 v8, yes, for sure. Your first generation Tundra? I would strongly advise against it, and I've owned both trucks and towed extensively with both trucks and would be glad to answer any questions.

[jerem0621]

I personally would not pull that trailer with a first gen Tundra. The second gen is much more capable. IIRC the Rear axle on the 1st gen is similar if not the same as the Tacoma’s.

Second gen is much much better.

[Grit_dog]

So first, you said your truck “can pull” 12100lbs, but your talking about the same truck that was the object of other threads.
7klbs is a lot for an old tundra with the little motor. Depends on the condition of you, the truck, the trailer, trailers setup and where you’re headed with it.
Is it ideal? Nope.
Will it work acceptably for someone? Yes.
Will it be acceptable for you? If you’re asking the question, your admitting inexperience and with that, I’d suggest a better equipped for all situations truck for you.
I rescind my previous comment

[BeerBrewer]

Below is more specs on my truck.

2006 Toyota Access cab 4X4
Mileage: 58,000 miles
Engine 4.7L Gas V8
Horsepower 271 @ 5400 RPM
Torque 313 @ 3400 RPM

Unfortunately I don't know the rear axle ratio, but I don't recall any options when I bought the truck, so I'll bet they are all the same. As I stated above the GVWR is 12,100 lbs and I know the truck weighs 5000 lbs. As for the RAWR or FAWR I'm still trying to locate that info.

Lastly, you all have pretty much confirmed my fears that this trailer is just beyond my trucks capabilities. I was hoping that we would be able to find a trailer that we like and that I could pull with my tundra, but it's not looking good at this point. I love my truck but it may be time for an upgrade. If I do up grade it, it will be with 3/4 ton truck.

[JIMNLIN]

RV folks are amazing how they can say a truck will or won't tow a 5k dry/7000 gvwr TT without any specs on the truck.

What size engine
whats the trucks GVWR
Whats the trucks RAWR
What tranny type in the truck
What gear ratio does the truck have.
Give us some tech help. Just my thoughts