Chevrolet exits all ICE production by 2035

[patperry2766]

Chevy exits ICE engines

Hopefully the other manufacturers won't follow suit.

Being from Texas and starting to thaw out from our latest freeze of the century, I don't see how our current power grid can support all the new EV planned for in the future, but I don't recall anything ever being addressed on this subject.

[JRscooby]

Hammerboy wrote:
A lot of debate about electric going on here. I can imagine at the turn of century 120 years ago there were a lot of people sitting on their saddle or in thier buggy scoffing at these early gas powered machines. Not near as many buggies these days.

Dan

Then as now, some of that debate was based on valid reasoning. As late as 1970 my family had to gravel 1/4 mile of the county road between the house and the road the county graveled. Go past the house, about 3 miles of graded dirt before you got to gravel again.
Once the school bus I was on went in a ditch in a snow storm. Driver and about a dozen kids walked 1/4 mile to nearest house. Farmer mounted a work horse to go couple miles to a house that had phone to inform parents. 3 days later uncle showed up with a bale sled behind a team of mules to deliver food, and take some of use home. It was over a week before the roads where open to normal traffic.
The cars, and infrastructure have always spread together.

[Reisender]

Gjac wrote:

Hammerboy wrote:
A lot of debate about electric going on here. I can imagine at the turn of century 120 years ago there were a lot of people sitting on their saddle or in thier buggy scoffing at these early gas powered machines. Not near as many buggies these days.

Dan

For the record electric vehicles have been around longer than ICE cars. I saw one from the 1870's, there were reasons why they never made it and ICE vehicles did. So it took 150 years to almost compete with a gas car. Maybe a few more years they will overtake gasoline cars.

Yah. The technology hasn’t changed at all since then. LOL. 🙂

[time2roll]

RoyJ wrote:
In 10/20/30 yrs, when they make duallies with 1000 kWh packs and 10 min charging, we go 100% electric. Simple as that!

I understand the 600 mile Semi that runs at 80,000 pounds will not have 1000kWh.

[Gjac]

Hammerboy wrote:
A lot of debate about electric going on here. I can imagine at the turn of century 120 years ago there were a lot of people sitting on their saddle or in thier buggy scoffing at these early gas powered machines. Not near as many buggies these days.

Dan

For the record electric vehicles have been around longer than ICE cars. I saw one from the 1870's, there were reasons why they never made it and ICE vehicles did. So it took 150 years to almost compete with a gas car. Maybe a few more years they will overtake gasoline cars.

[Hammerboy]

A lot of debate about electric going on here. I can imagine at the turn of century 120 years ago there were a lot of people sitting on their saddle or in thier buggy scoffing at these early gas powered machines. Not near as many buggies these days.

Dan

[RoyJ]

Dadoffourgirls wrote:
Yes, if I want to go to Kansas to see my daughter, it is nice to get up in the morning and be there for evening!

Would rather have more time with her!

Valid point.

I bet no one on this board, save for a few full timers, have 1 vehicle in the family. So for the next 10 yrs: EV for commutes, IC for long trips or high duty cycle towing / off roading.

In 10/20/30 yrs, when they make duallies with 1000 kWh packs and 10 min charging, we go 100% electric. Simple as that!

[Reisender]

Dadoffourgirls wrote:

Reisender wrote:
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Coal is irrelevant. It is a smaller and smaller component of North American power makeup.

Coal’s forecast share of electricity generation rises from 20% in 2020 to 21% in 2021 and to 22% in 2022.

Short Term Energy outlook

Yep. And not just in the US as Europe is seeing short term needs covered by coal as well. Other countries like Great Britain and Canada are already seeing the decline.

Interesting article.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/coal-could-be-just-11-of-us-generation-by-2030-moodys/558534/

[Reisender]

rlw999 wrote:

Reisender wrote:

If the only thing important to a driver is driving 900 miles non stop I see nothing wrong with staying with diesel. I don’t know anybody who does that other than commercial reasons but hey. To each his own. A long travel day for us is about 600 kilometers (400 miles).

For me, even 200 miles is more than enough range, especially if I knew I could fuel up at the nearest rest stop, restaurant, etc. 200 miles is 3+ hours of driving, which is more than I'd usually do without a break or switching drivers. Spending 30 minutes plugged in while I walk around (or nap, one of the best reasons to drive an RV - nap anytime, anywhere!) while I charge up for another 3 hours of driving wouldn't really get in the way of my travels. And I can charge up at the campground so always start the day with a full tank without having to find a gas station first.

Yep. Travelling may be a little different in the EV world. Not necessarily a bad thing. In 10 years ranges will probably double again. I don’t think it will be an issue.

[rlw999]

Reisender wrote:

If the only thing important to a driver is driving 900 miles non stop I see nothing wrong with staying with diesel. I don’t know anybody who does that other than commercial reasons but hey. To each his own. A long travel day for us is about 600 kilometers (400 miles).

For me, even 200 miles is more than enough range, especially if I knew I could fuel up at the nearest rest stop, restaurant, etc. 200 miles is 3+ hours of driving, which is more than I'd usually do without a break or switching drivers. Spending 30 minutes plugged in while I walk around (or nap, one of the best reasons to drive an RV - nap anytime, anywhere!) while I charge up for another 3 hours of driving wouldn't really get in the way of my travels. And I can charge up at the campground so always start the day with a full tank without having to find a gas station first.

[Dadoffourgirls]

Reisender wrote:

If the only thing important to a driver is driving 900 miles non stop I see nothing wrong with staying with diesel. I don’t know anybody who does that other than commercial reasons but hey. To each his own. A long travel day for us is about 600 kilometers (400 miles). A 900 miles range of a vehicle would not be an asset for me. To each his own though.

Yes, if I want to go to Kansas to see my daughter, it is nice to get up in the morning and be there for evening!

Would rather have more time with her!

[Dadoffourgirls]

Reisender wrote:
...
Coal is irrelevant. It is a smaller and smaller component of North American power makeup.

Coal’s forecast share of electricity generation rises from 20% in 2020 to 21% in 2021 and to 22% in 2022.

Short Term Energy outlook

[Reisender]

azdryheat wrote:
With the extra Diesel tank in my truck I can go 900 miles (towing trailer) without refueling. How will a battery be able to cover the same ground?

BTW the electricity in my town comes from coal and natural gas. How does having an EV change the equation? And we all just saw what happened in Texas.

If the only thing important to a driver is driving 900 miles non stop I see nothing wrong with staying with diesel. I don’t know anybody who does that other than commercial reasons but hey. To each his own. A long travel day for us is about 600 kilometers (400 miles). A 900 miles range of a vehicle would not be an asset for me. To each his own though.

A single exhaust pipe from a natural gas plant feeding a 100,000 electric vehicles is much better for air quality than 100,000 tail pipes. Plus the natural gas plant can be located out of high population zones.

Coal is irrelevant. It is a smaller and smaller component of North American power makeup.

Texas has a third world grid. They’ll figure it out or people will start making their own reliable and reasonably priced power. It’s easy to make electricity. Gasoline not so much.

[Lantley]

azdryheat wrote:
With the extra Diesel tank in my truck I can go 900 miles (towing trailer) without refueling. How will a battery be able to cover the same ground?

BTW the electricity in my town comes from coal and natural gas. How does having an EV change the equation? And we all just saw what happened in Texas.

Technically you just need a large enough battery to keep going. I think a Tesla not a DRW can go 900 miles with 2-30 minutes recharge stops?
Give it 15 years and I don't think 900 miles will be an impossible feat.
Texas was about poor planning and poor policy. Just bad management.
It was not a technology issue. There are plenty of places that do not suffer catastrophic failure to the grid when the weather turns cold.

[azdryheat]

With the extra Diesel tank in my truck I can go 900 miles (towing trailer) without refueling. How will a battery be able to cover the same ground?

BTW the electricity in my town comes from coal and natural gas. How does having an EV change the equation? And we all just saw what happened in Texas.

[Reisender]

Here power is the same price all day although we still charge at night as BC hydro recommends it for whatever reason. I don’t care. I’m asleep when it’s charging. Usually between 1 and 3 in the morning. About 9 cents a KWh here, or about 7 cents in USD. CHEAP CHEAP. Eight bucks still takes us about 500 km.