Chevrolet exits all ICE production by 2035

[patperry2766]

Chevy exits ICE engines

Hopefully the other manufacturers won't follow suit.

Being from Texas and starting to thaw out from our latest freeze of the century, I don't see how our current power grid can support all the new EV planned for in the future, but I don't recall anything ever being addressed on this subject.

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Groover wrote:

Groover wrote:

RoyJ wrote:

time2roll wrote:

RoyJ wrote:
In 10/20/30 yrs, when they make duallies with 1000 kWh packs and 10 min charging, we go 100% electric. Simple as that!

I understand the 600 mile Semi that runs at 80,000 pounds will not have 1000kWh.

They should have 2000 kWh to do it comfortably.

600 miles is 10 hrs straight at AVERAGE of 60 mph. With 1000 kWh that's 100 kW a average, or 134hp. It takes a LOT more than 134 hp to move 80,000 lbs at an average of 60 mph (including hills).

Even with a 2000 kWh battery that's only 270 hp. Barely enough to maintain 60 mph on perfectly flat ground.

My motorhome with a similar frontal area to a semi gets about 11mpg at 70mph. The best that I can figure that is only about 140hp at 70mph or about 110hp at 60mph. The Tesla semi is probably has better aerodynamics than my motorhome. Barely enough power to maintain speed on level ground is more battery power than is needed. Yes, more power will be used to climb hills or accelerate but that energy will be recovered when going back down the hill or slowing down and I have never seen any vehicle run at max speed for 8 hours. This would indicate that a 1000kwh battery is pretty close to the mark.

The Tesla semi will have far more power available for hill climbing and acceleration than diesel power rigs. Tests show that it can go from 0-60mph in 20 seconds with a full load. I have never seen a diesel rig do it that quickly. That should help traffic flow better and make traveling more pleasant for all of us.

Plus, downtown deliveries with Electric heavy trucks will have much less impact on down town air quality. As cities outlaw vehicles with tail pipes in downtown cores trucks like these will have an advantage as no depot action is required switching between a diesel tractor and an electric tractor. Win win. Everybody likes good air quality.

[Groover]

Groover wrote:

RoyJ wrote:

time2roll wrote:

RoyJ wrote:
In 10/20/30 yrs, when they make duallies with 1000 kWh packs and 10 min charging, we go 100% electric. Simple as that!

I understand the 600 mile Semi that runs at 80,000 pounds will not have 1000kWh.

They should have 2000 kWh to do it comfortably.

600 miles is 10 hrs straight at AVERAGE of 60 mph. With 1000 kWh that's 100 kW a average, or 134hp. It takes a LOT more than 134 hp to move 80,000 lbs at an average of 60 mph (including hills).

Even with a 2000 kWh battery that's only 270 hp. Barely enough to maintain 60 mph on perfectly flat ground.

My motorhome with a similar frontal area to a semi gets about 11mpg at 70mph. The best that I can figure that is only about 140hp at 70mph or about 110hp at 60mph. The Tesla semi is probably has better aerodynamics than my motorhome. Barely enough power to maintain speed on level ground is more battery power than is needed. Yes, more power will be used to climb hills or accelerate but that energy will be recovered when going back down the hill or slowing down and I have never seen any vehicle run at max speed for 8 hours. This would indicate that a 1000kwh battery is pretty close to the mark.

The Tesla semi will have far more power available for hill climbing and acceleration than diesel power rigs. Tests show that it can go from 0-60mph in 20 seconds with a full load. I have never seen a diesel rig do it that quickly. That should help traffic flow better and make traveling more pleasant for all of us.

[RoyJ]

time2roll wrote:

RoyJ wrote:
In 10/20/30 yrs, when they make duallies with 1000 kWh packs and 10 min charging, we go 100% electric. Simple as that!

I understand the 600 mile Semi that runs at 80,000 pounds will not have 1000kWh.

They should have 2000 kWh to do it comfortably.

600 miles is 10 hrs straight at AVERAGE of 60 mph. With 1000 kWh that's 100 kW a average, or 134hp. It takes a LOT more than 134 hp to move 80,000 lbs at an average of 60 mph (including hills).

Even with a 2000 kWh battery that's only 270 hp. Barely enough to maintain 60 mph on perfectly flat ground.

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nickthehunter wrote:
That’s what the “Block this member” button is for. It works wonderfully

Yep. Works good. Why waste time reading stuff that doesn’t interest you.

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That’s what the “Block this member” button is for. It works wonderfully

[Latner]

Lynnmor wrote:
I hope that I never get so totally obsessed with one thing that everything that I read or discuss involves that subject. I sure don't want lobbyists forcing their ideas on the general public.

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[Lynnmor]

I hope that I never get so totally obsessed with one thing that everything that I read or discuss involves that subject. I sure don't want lobbyists forcing their ideas on the general public.

[Grit_dog]

^Well, at least the ____crats are succeeding at driving a bigger wedge between even deeper in the divide, in the very sensitive and important state of affairs in this country currently. (Again no pun intended...lol)

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Looks like Massachusetts is disallowing sales of new cars with tail pipes as of 2035. I think that’s the third state setting a time limit. And two provinces. The tailpipe market is getting smaller in North America too.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/gasoline-car-sales-to-end-by-2035-in-massachusetts/

[Grit_dog]

Oh, the opinions abound here!

But fwiw, security waits at airports have been virtually non existent for the last year. (Not because everyone is in their Jetsons cars though...lol)

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Gjac wrote:

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Gjac wrote:

Hammerboy wrote:
A lot of debate about electric going on here. I can imagine at the turn of century 120 years ago there were a lot of people sitting on their saddle or in thier buggy scoffing at these early gas powered machines. Not near as many buggies these days.

Dan

For the record electric vehicles have been around longer than ICE cars. I saw one from the 1870's, there were reasons why they never made it and ICE vehicles did. So it took 150 years to almost compete with a gas car. Maybe a few more years they will overtake gasoline cars.

Yah. The technology hasn’t changed at all since then. LOL. 🙂

The point being it took 150 years for the technology to change to make EV's almost comparable to gas vehicles.

Serious development has only been in the last two decades. And for the most part electric vehicles are superior to gas vehicles. Gas vehicles have a lot of catching up to do if they want a chance at staying relevant in the next twenty years. Frankly I doubt manufacturers will waste money trying to close the gap. Pickups are in a little different category although light duty half tons will probably be well accepted.

Jmho but I doubt in 15 years anyone is going to choose a stinky, gutless, noisy, high maintenance, expensive to fuel vehicle that you have to take to a gas station and fuel. At very minimum gas companies are going to have to offer a home delivery service for free to your house or workplace on a regular basis that takes none of your time. I can’t see them doing that.

Jmho.

[Gjac]

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Gjac wrote:

Hammerboy wrote:
A lot of debate about electric going on here. I can imagine at the turn of century 120 years ago there were a lot of people sitting on their saddle or in thier buggy scoffing at these early gas powered machines. Not near as many buggies these days.

Dan

For the record electric vehicles have been around longer than ICE cars. I saw one from the 1870's, there were reasons why they never made it and ICE vehicles did. So it took 150 years to almost compete with a gas car. Maybe a few more years they will overtake gasoline cars.

Yah. The technology hasn’t changed at all since then. LOL. 🙂

The point being it took 150 years for the technology to change to make EV's almost comparable to gas vehicles.

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tomman58 wrote:

Dadoffourgirls wrote:

Reisender wrote:

If the only thing important to a driver is driving 900 miles non stop I see nothing wrong with staying with diesel. I don’t know anybody who does that other than commercial reasons but hey. To each his own. A long travel day for us is about 600 kilometers (400 miles). A 900 miles range of a vehicle would not be an asset for me. To each his own though.

Yes, if I want to go to Kansas to see my daughter, it is nice to get up in the morning and be there for evening!

Would rather have more time with her!

???????????????????? 900 miles that's a min of 13 to 15 hours I am sure you would be up for a visit after that and the next day you won't be worth much either.

I can see the odd person doing 1300 kilometers (900 miles) per day for reasons described or other pressing reasons. With the Security weights in airports nowadays it might make sense for some. But I would think a very small part of the population would actually drive more than 800 kilometers (500 miles) per day. So that single range advantage of a liquid fueled car will not keep most people hooked on liquid fuel. The significant advantages of EV’s far outweighs those of liquid fueled vehicles. And presently an 800 kilometer road trip in the most commonly sold EV’s is no longer or shorter than the same trip in a liquid fuel vehicle.

Jmho.

[tomman58]

Dadoffourgirls wrote:

Reisender wrote:

If the only thing important to a driver is driving 900 miles non stop I see nothing wrong with staying with diesel. I don’t know anybody who does that other than commercial reasons but hey. To each his own. A long travel day for us is about 600 kilometers (400 miles). A 900 miles range of a vehicle would not be an asset for me. To each his own though.

Yes, if I want to go to Kansas to see my daughter, it is nice to get up in the morning and be there for evening!

Would rather have more time with her!

???????????????????? 900 miles that's a min of 13 to 15 hours I am sure you would be up for a visit after that and the next day you won't be worth much either.