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Family of 6 tow vehicle ?? What works?

Oreonut
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Hi all,

I have been happily camping after all the great advice I got on her back in 2006. Sadly our 2006 Chevrolet 2500HD is needing to be replaced and we are having a hard time coming up with a replacement that works for our much larger family. We have been taking a mini van and towing with the truck on all our vacations for some time now and would like to put us all in one vehicle.

I am looking for options for 6 people to ride comfortably and tow a 2007 Sunnybrook Sunset Creek - dry weight 6615 - length 33' and we always drive with no water on board.

I searched for a used 2500 Suburban but no luck in finding anything with lower mileage that was in the budget.

We are considering a 2016 Chevy Express 2500 and converting the second row of seats to bucket seats. Will this still pull the trailer adequately? While the tow rating is 10,000 I know that is usually super misleading.

I am open to any and all suggestions.

Thanks!
Kelly

2023 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD
2023 Forest River - Wildwood 31KQBTS
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2007 Sunset Creek 298 BH
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apr67
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Love our Express 3500.
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73guna
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What is your budget?
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LarryJM
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tatest wrote:
The passenger van with the most GCWR to spare is the E-350 with V-10 and 4.10 axle, for 18,000 to 18,500 GCWR depending on model year, and empty weight at about 6300-6700 pounds. You can load it to 8000 - 8500 pounds and still have the 10,000 tow capacity. These vans are really hard to find and the engine sucks fuel like crazy when pulling hard, and with the steeper gearing doesn't do much better when not towing.



Not quite and just to be complete the E-350 with the 7.3L PSD passenger version has a GVWR of 9400, towing capacity of 10K and a GCWR with the 4.10 of 20K. I know I have one shown in my signature. My FAWR is 4600 and rear is 6084 and I have no problem breaking my 9500 GVWR figure as long as I stay within the AWRs. I'm often over 10K GW on the Van itself, but my registration actually shows a GVWR of 10K vs. the Ford spec'd 9500. When towing my GCW is in the 16.7 to 17.6 range and I get a solid 10 to 10.5 towing with that load.

Larry

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Anmacc2
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I've had two E350s and one Chevy Express 3500. All three did the job just fine. Gone cross country numerous times with each one of them. :B
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SouthpawHD
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Yep, the Tahoe could do it - technically. But with a family of 6, you'll run out of payload before "towing" capacity.

Keep looking...
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IdaD
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Oreonut wrote:
A salesman just told my husband we could get a Tahoe. Really?

The trailers has a dry weight of 6615, dry hitch of 875. The entire payload of the Tahoe is only 1745 with a max hitch weight of 990 and a towing rate of 8600. I guess technically we could do it but I think not.


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Oreonut
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A salesman just told my husband we could get a Tahoe. Really?

The trailers has a dry weight of 6615, dry hitch of 875. The entire payload of the Tahoe is only 1745 with a max hitch weight of 990 and a towing rate of 8600. I guess technically we could do it but I think not.
Kelly

2023 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD
2023 Forest River - Wildwood 31KQBTS
Blue Ox

Old Set up:

2006 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD
2007 Sunset Creek 298 BH
Hensley arrow/Prodigy

tatest
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GCWR for the Express 2500 or 3500 the 6.0 V8 is 16,000 pounds. The empty passenger van will be about 6300 pounds for the standard length, 6700 pounds extended length, with all the seats installed. You can reduce the weight some by taking out the seats you don't need (the benches are something over 150 pounds each, a bit to handle).

This is going to leave you with something less than 10,000 towing capacity, to be further reduced by anything you load into the van. Load the van to 9000 pounds (typical GVWR) and towing capacity is down to 7000 pounds. Load the van to 8000, towing capacity is 8000 pounds. But this is still better than a 2500 Suburban with the same engine, and passenger/cargo loads, because the Suburban starts out heavier when empty.

To get 10,000 tow capacity available, you would need to find an Express 3500 passenger van with the Duramax 6.6 diesel. This raises GCWR to 17,000 pounds, leaving a little more to spare for what you need to carry, but not much more because the engine adds so much more to the empty weight of the van.

The passenger van with the most GCWR to spare is the E-350 with V-10 and 4.10 axle, for 18,000 to 18,500 GCWR depending on model year, and empty weight at about 6300-6700 pounds. You can load it to 8000 - 8500 pounds and still have the 10,000 tow capacity. These vans are really hard to find and the engine sucks fuel like crazy when pulling hard, and with the steeper gearing doesn't do much better when not towing.

Another alternative is a V-10 Excursion with the 4.10 or 4.30 axles, but just as with Chevy, the van can tow more than the SUV because the van is not as heavy as the SUV.

If looking at the Express 2500/3500 as a tow vehicle, I would be looking for a trailer around 7000-8000 pounds when towing it, and at the upper weight you'll have to be more careful about how you are loading the van.

You will find Express 2500 12 passenger and Express 3500 15 passenger vans coming out of rental service 1 year old with 20,000 to 25,000 miles priced at about $25,000. They might come off lease with 2-3 times that mileage and sell $18,000-20,000. Try to find a large SUV or a 2500/3500 six passenger pickup for less than twice that price.

Two years ago I was able to get an 8-month old E-350 12 passenger van, 19,000 miles, for $20,100. You don't find those anymore, and the ex-rental E-350s will not have the towing capacity you want, because Ford does not supply the V-10 to the rental companies, they have no need for it. The V-10 E-350 in towing configuration has to come from someone who ordered it that way, usually with expectation of towing.
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DavidP
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SouthpawHD
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I have a family of 6 and I'm very happy with my crew cab 3/4. Plenty of leg room, plenty of interior room, no complaints.

Now if you are going to camp thousands of miles away every weekend, not a perfect choice. But if most of your trips are local, it works perfect.
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Dadoffourgirls
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I went with the 3500 Express. I think it is a great value, but do miss not having 4wd - although I have never been stuck. Yes, it does not have all the luxuries, but in the year I have had the Express, we have had some memorable trips with 6 or more people going at one time. My daughters have been spoiled by the new vehicles that I have had - like Suburbans, but are fine in the Express.

The 6.0 with the 6 sp gets me 17-18 mpg for unloaded highway driving, and tows my trailer very well. This was better than my HD pickup. I watched for one that had the backup sensors and rear camera in the mirror, as well as power side mirrors. The price is in the mid-20k, for 2015 models. I bought mine for uner $25k, and was Certified. Therefore, I get 2 years maintenance and warranty.

Many will indicate how dated the Express is, but it will haul a family and trailer.
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Oreonut
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Looks like lots of people like the Ford E350 but they did away with that in 2014 it seems. Only finding used ones available. The new Ford transit that replaced it doesn't seem to have as much towing ability. Also checked out the Nissan and its max towing is also less.

Urg ... not many options out there.
Kelly

2023 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD
2023 Forest River - Wildwood 31KQBTS
Blue Ox

Old Set up:

2006 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD
2007 Sunset Creek 298 BH
Hensley arrow/Prodigy

mtofell1
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Yeah, that 4th child sure changes things in terms of a TV. My wife and I often joke about which one we'd get rid of if we had to 🙂 🙂 (Just kidding, of course).

One of ours is quite a bit older than the other 3 and often stays home to work, so it's not too much of an issue for us. If/when you need to take 6 people I like some of the newer vans. I've seen Nissan, Ford, Ram and even Mercedes in 2500, 3500 and up. I think it's Ford that has a commercial out now about all the different roof heights and chassis that are available.

Otherwise, you can try to find a 2500 Suburban or Excursion but they are rare. People really tend to hang on to them.

tlaffourtit
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it looks like your a bowtie guy, but consider a ford. we were a family of seven. we use to tow a 1998 3060 nomad, weight was 7800 pounds. we used a 2000 ford e350 to tow with. motor choice was a diesel , v8, or a v10. we ordered the v10 with a 410 posi rear. there was another option for towing which included a heavy duty transmission. we also ordered the manual extended chrome side mirrors. it didn't matter if we were towing or not the mph was always 12mph. climbed ever mountain out west with no problem, and it never ran hot. before this van I was a pure mopar nut, but the ram 2500 we had came with the 318(v8) and couldn't make it up hills without loosing speed, and in the summer always ran hotter then normal. we couldn't even run the a/c when climbing hills without it almost over heating. good luck.
Sue and Tim

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I'd pull that with my 3/4 ton Suburban. Any 2008-2013 3/4 ton Suburban or Yukon XL should work. They are hard to come by used and hold their value very well because they do everything so well for 200k+ miles. The vans are also very reliable and much cheaper new and used. They just do not come in 4WD or the higher end luxuries/conveniences of the SUVs. Make sure either one comes with 6-spd trans. GM used to sell the 2500 express with 4.8L V8 and 4-spd trans. Do not get the Ford 5.4L, get the V10 or maybe they are using the 6.2L now.

Check out the Nissan NV3500 too. The powertrain needs to be updated, but it offers a little more luxuries than the Ford/GM.
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