This comes up all the time...and most who have not gone through this
before...go away to not talk about this again...deny and argue...or
some actually understand how this works-especially those who went
out and actually weighed their TV
Pure marketing with some reality sprinkled in...meaning how else can
the OEMs do this and still be competitive with the public who believes
the marketing data as gospel...AKA "King of the Hill" or "mine is
bigger than yours"
Reality, as how else can they provide a manageable level of rows/columns/etc
Meaning if they listed every option on a row with a column for the
various ratings.
Like a row for 4x4 and columns for MTWR, Payload, GCWR, etc
Then a row for 4x4 & AC and columns for MTWR, Payload, GCWR, etc
Then a row for 4x4 & AC & power seats/windows/locks and columns for
MTWR, Payload, GCWR, etc
and so on, and so on, and so on...betcha that would be dozens of sheets
and even more confusing than what we have now...where they define or
put into context with the fine print
This is my Suburban, as I've actually weighed it at a county weights
and measure certified (their sticker for that year) to be accurate
enough for commerce (sell by weight and charge money for that weight)
That 5,250 Lb CURB is on the California DMV data base and is provided
by GM, the OEM of my GMC Suburban. Against the VIN number.
These Calif SMOG test reports are official state documents and are
also legal documents that I'd use if I need to prove anything about
the data on my SMOG test/registration/etc
Have noodled what options I'd have to unbolt, cut out, etc in order
to get my Suburban down to the listed 'curb'...There wouldn't be any
carpet, sound insulation, 4x4, AC, automatic, etc, etc, etc
"Test Weight" is the 'curb' weight, not the actual...again, have
actually weighed it at a county weights and measure certified scale
at my local garden center
And here is the glove box RPO code label listing every option that
my Sub left the factory with...plus I've added lots of stuff...how
many pages would the matrix listing each and each combo of options
take to list MTWR, GCWR, etc...
mysubrpo suburbanrpo mysuburbanrpo
{edit}...here is my 1980 Siliverado C10 Big Ten (1500HD of it's era)
and note the 'curb' vs GVWR
Ditto what would I have to unbolt/cut-out/etc to get it down to 'curb'
mytrucksmog mysilveradosmog trucksmog silveradosmog
Actual weight at the dumps...me (180), nephew (180), bed cap (~250),
over sized tires/wheels, tools, extra coolant, extra oil, etc, etc
This scale also had the county weights and measure certified sticker
mytruckweight truckweight silveradoweight truckdumpweight
vs it's door ratings label
mytruckdoorlabel truckdoorlabel mytruckgvwr truckgvwr
before...go away to not talk about this again...deny and argue...or
some actually understand how this works-especially those who went
out and actually weighed their TV
Pure marketing with some reality sprinkled in...meaning how else can
the OEMs do this and still be competitive with the public who believes
the marketing data as gospel...AKA "King of the Hill" or "mine is
bigger than yours"
Reality, as how else can they provide a manageable level of rows/columns/etc
Meaning if they listed every option on a row with a column for the
various ratings.
Like a row for 4x4 and columns for MTWR, Payload, GCWR, etc
Then a row for 4x4 & AC and columns for MTWR, Payload, GCWR, etc
Then a row for 4x4 & AC & power seats/windows/locks and columns for
MTWR, Payload, GCWR, etc
and so on, and so on, and so on...betcha that would be dozens of sheets
and even more confusing than what we have now...where they define or
put into context with the fine print
This is my Suburban, as I've actually weighed it at a county weights
and measure certified (their sticker for that year) to be accurate
enough for commerce (sell by weight and charge money for that weight)
That 5,250 Lb CURB is on the California DMV data base and is provided
by GM, the OEM of my GMC Suburban. Against the VIN number.
These Calif SMOG test reports are official state documents and are
also legal documents that I'd use if I need to prove anything about
the data on my SMOG test/registration/etc
Have noodled what options I'd have to unbolt, cut out, etc in order
to get my Suburban down to the listed 'curb'...There wouldn't be any
carpet, sound insulation, 4x4, AC, automatic, etc, etc, etc
"Test Weight" is the 'curb' weight, not the actual...again, have
actually weighed it at a county weights and measure certified scale
at my local garden center
BenK wrote:
My Suburban GMT400/1996 was before the weight stickers on the the newer
TVs door...
So here are my numbers:
5,250 curb
8,600 GVWR
3,350 lb cargo/payload over curb
My 2014 smog certificate...note that this is an official state
document and the info supplied by each OEM for that VIN...mysub mysuburban mysubsmog mysmog
mysubGVWR mysubdoor mysubdoorlable doorlabel subdoorlable
Mine weighs in around 7,200 at the local garden scales, county
weights&measure certified, with me (180) and toolbox (+200) and misc stuff (+50)
Also has full up option package, SLT, 4x4, big block, and over sized
wheels and tires
8,600 minus
7,200
1,400 lbs cargo/payload
All with a 6,000 RGAWR...that AAM rates at 10,000 GAWR. The 6K GAWR
GM lists is around 2,000 more than most 'half ton' TVs
Oh...also ordered the F60 option...which is the 1 ton front snow plow prep package
My FGAWR is 4,250 and near most half ton's rear GAWR.
And here is the glove box RPO code label listing every option that
my Sub left the factory with...plus I've added lots of stuff...how
many pages would the matrix listing each and each combo of options
take to list MTWR, GCWR, etc...
mysubrpo suburbanrpo mysuburbanrpo
{edit}...here is my 1980 Siliverado C10 Big Ten (1500HD of it's era)
and note the 'curb' vs GVWR
Ditto what would I have to unbolt/cut-out/etc to get it down to 'curb'
mytrucksmog mysilveradosmog trucksmog silveradosmog
Actual weight at the dumps...me (180), nephew (180), bed cap (~250),
over sized tires/wheels, tools, extra coolant, extra oil, etc, etc
This scale also had the county weights and measure certified sticker
mytruckweight truckweight silveradoweight truckdumpweight
vs it's door ratings label
mytruckdoorlabel truckdoorlabel mytruckgvwr truckgvwr
