Is the EV transformation of the market over hyped ?

[Lessmore]

Interesting article about IC gas and Diesel and Electrical Vehicles. This would also include tow vehicles.


EV vehicles market domination over hyped ?

In some ways I think the manufacturers are giving us mixed messages. GM says that they will introduce about 20 new EV vehicles by 2023, yet on the other hand have just introduced a new 3 liter , 6 cylinder diesel for their 1500 truck series and new..or at least revamped 6.6 liter IC gas engine and 6.6 liter IC Diesel engine for their 2020 HD pickup truck line.

So what gives, as we used to say in high school ?

[fj12ryder]

Why do people persist in denying that words actually have meanings? "Reading between the lines" when a single word is what is objected to?

Why not simply use the correct word that is called for in this instance: "figuratively"?

If necessary drag out the dictionary, rather than rationalize an incorrect word usage.

FWIW, incorrect word usage is just one of those things that trips my trigger. Can't help it. I think in a prior life I was a librarian, or an English teacher. 🙂

[Grit_dog]

^^ Yes!! Awesome thread! Keeper up boys!
I mean keeper figuratively, not literally, lol.

[otrfun]

fj12ryder wrote:
No I didn't. I didn't miss the point, I merely addressed the improper use of the word "literally" while the poster was trying to make that point. It was not literally a rocket, it was figuratively a rocket. Unless, of course, the batteries had been removed to make room for a rocket motor, which, considering it's a Tesla, could possibly happen. 🙂

Semantics: "the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning."

As you said, it's a case of the meaning of the words.

A semantic dispute is a disagreement that arises if the parties involved disagree about the definition of a word or phrase, not because they disagree on material facts, but rather because they disagree on the definitions of a word (or several words) essential to formulating the claim at issue.

It's a generally accepted fact that Tesla's 0-60 time of 3.6 sec is fast. A rocket (by definition) is also fast. "It's literally a rocket" is simply an economical way to opine that, "It's literally (as fast as) a rocket."

Based on your responses, I'll surmise that it's possible that you: 1) are not particularly fond of Teslas, 2) tend to interpret things literally---and not fond of reading between the lines, and/or 3) find it difficult recognizing hyperbole 🙂

[fj12ryder]

No I didn't. I didn't miss the point, I merely addressed the improper use of the word "literally" while the poster was trying to make that point. It was not literally a rocket, it was figuratively a rocket. Unless, of course, the batteries had been removed to make room for a rocket motor, which, considering it's a Tesla, could possibly happen. 🙂

Semantics: "the branch of linguistics and logic concerned with meaning."

As you said, it's a case of the meaning of the words.

[otrfun]

fj12ryder wrote:
"It's literally a rocket."

No, it's not. Perhaps: "It's figuratively a rocket." Regardless of what Webster says, the wimp.

I think you totally missed the point. It's just a case of semantics.

[otrfun]

Double post

[fj12ryder]

"It's literally a rocket."

No, it's not. Perhaps: "It's figuratively a rocket." Regardless of what Webster says, the wimp.

[otrfun]

BIL owns a Tesla Model 3 with dual-motor/AWD and the high capacity battery pack. He easily gets 225+ miles per charge with very aggressive, mostly city/suburb driving. Able to get a full charge overnight at his house (220v). 30-40 min charges at various Tesla supercharger stations. It's literally a rocket. Off the line at full throttle, all you hear is the wind, and the tires biting into the pavement---with g-forces as your only sensation that you're doing 0-60 in 3.6 sec (actual digital time). Granted, for cross-country trips you may need to form your route around Tesla supercharger stations, but for everything else this car is, IMO, a zero-compromise, awesome car to own.

[RFCN2]

Electric cars are not new. There were a bunch of them made 100 years ago. But the technology has improved drastically in the last ten years. The main technology that has improved is the batteries. The drive hardware for electric cars is much simpler and cheaper than gas motors and transmissions. Teslas don't even have transmissions. The cost of the battery packs is down by half in the last ten years. And that cost is supposed to half again in the next five. There are several other types of batteries using other metals like aluminum sue to come into use this year.

I do not have a crystal ball but my guess is that electric vehicles cars and trucks, and potentially RVs is today where the internet was in 2001. Basically on the launching pad and ready to blast off. Even little Tesla was able to ship almost 100,000 cars in the last quarter. I would guess half the cars bought in the USA in ten years will be electric.

I do not own an electric car or work for anyone in that industry. I am thinking about getting a new car soon and have been researching them.

[Terryallan]

otrfun wrote:
IMO there's a real possibility government regulation (in response to greenhouse emissions) may force EV's on us---warts and all---significantly before the free market system has a say in the matter. A number of countries (i.e., China, Germany, Japan, etc.) are already implementing some form of regulation forcing the hand of car manufacturers in terms of ICE vs. EV production.

Only if the socialist are elected

[ksss]

Grit dog wrote:
Classic case of both sides cherry picking advantages or shortcomings to support their argument!
EV fans convienently forget to achnowledge that one can't drive from Helena to Miles City empty or pulling a trailer without some serious searching or waiting, or packing a generator to recharge the car somewhere in BFE Montana. (Or pick 1000s of other locations that would pose a similar challenge)
ICE fans not giving credit to the utter convienence and simplicity (albeit an expensive convienence) of an EV for moderate trips or even long trips as long as those trips are planned around urban areas and range is calculated.

I'm still firmly on the ICE side, becasue A, I like the smell of race gas! And B, because it doesn't fit my uses....yet.
Now it would be almost perfect for my wife. Stay at home mom. 80% or more miles are within 50 miles of the house and back home. But then her car wouldn't be suited for a road trip to the Midwest from Seattle....
I've thought about an EV as a commuter car for her, but the $$$$$$ to get a SUV that hauls a few kids, maybe a few hockey bags at the same time = not practical....yet.

Anyone who is absolutely c rapping on EV advancement should take a hard look at themselves. Would you say the same thing about ICE advancement that now gives you your 400hp car that gets over 20mpg or your house pulling 1000ft lb diesel that we all so dearly love??

To this point it will be a looong time before EV comes to the point of being a practical solution for many parts of the country. Both from an infrastructure, and vehicle technology. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be pursued, but I don't see it being a legit option for anyone who travels across places like Montana, Idaho, the Dakotas, Wyoming and so forth. I am 50 yoa and I don't see it coming in my lifetime. Live in or around a metropolitan area, sure maybe it can make sense. Live about anywhere else, and it not only doesn't make sense, really isn't an option. I still have reservations that the electrical infrastructure is capable of handling large portions of Americans plugging in their car. Are we capable of generating that kind of electricity without burning fuel, or splitting atoms? I suspect we will go from "Big Oil" to "Big Electricity". Changing from one set of dirty hands for another. At least with fuel, there is some competition. With electrical power, you have one company that controls a certain area. Unless this is changed somehow, if Acme Power that controls LA wants to charge 2X the going rate for electricity, other than bitching and moaning and maybe trying to go to court, your stuck. Once the majority of people own EV, that will be a huge issue. All that said, I don't stand in the way of EV, but there are slew of issues to work out, and living in BFE, I don't see it affecting me much.

[chorbelt]

This thread sure is full of what a group of people HOPE will come true rather than what is likely to come true.

Tesla hasn't made one red cent still has production problems with the Model 3.

Car sales are down so far that Ford stopped making them.

Truck sales from the Big 3 are up across every manufacturer line.

But yea, EV's are going to be taking over the world......

[JRscooby]

otrfun wrote:
IMO there's a real possibility government regulation (in response to greenhouse emissions) may force EV's on us---warts and all---significantly before the free market system has a say in the matter. A number of countries (i.e., China, Germany, Japan, etc.) are already implementing some form of regulation forcing the hand of car manufacturers in terms of ICE vs. EV production.

This, IMHO, is what gets peoples bowles in a uproar. Their going to take your guns!!!
Americans have a Dog given right to burn all the fuel we want! And instead of telling people that think they will be fine with at least one of their cars not burning gas we shriek "IT Won't Work! IT Won't Work!IT Won't Work!" Even when others make it work. I would think that if a third of cars where charging at home I would thank them for leaving the gas for my old truck.

[JRscooby]

did it again

[JRscooby]

Terryallan wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
Terryallen,

Read the thread. It lists the EV going 2,781km (1,728mi) in 24 hours in a Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD, which included charging time.

Just not practical for the vast majority of us. When it is. we will see.

Just like my weed eater. It is now battery. Does what I want. But will not run as long as the gas one I had. Takes 2 batteries to do the same job.

And like the FI EV racing series. Takes 2 cars to do the same thing ONE ICE car does.

LOL. I have a gas chain saw and weed wacker in the garage. Also have plug in electric of each. The gas saw was tuned up, sharpened, test run. Then the carb opened and all gas blown out. If I have trees down, and no power I will open a can of Stihl fuel. (Don't foresee a weed eat emergency) But for normal maintenance, the electric starts every time I hit the button.