Need Advice - In a Pickle

[Hyfives5]

I have a 2013 (company-owned) F150 SuperCrew with the 5.0 V8, 3.31 gears and 145" WB. It has the tow package and integrated brake control system. Sine it's company-owned, there's no upgrading and no changing the gears, etc. The GCWR is stated at 13,500lbs with a curb weight of 5,254lbs. The tow capacity is stated at 8,000lbs.

I found a screaming deal on a 28ft. TT with with 5,770lbs shipping weight and a GVWR of 7,690lbs. The numbers on paper look decent, with about 1,000lbs of occupants/dogs/stuff & hitch in the truck and throwing another 1,000lbs in the TT for good measure and the numbers seem to indicate around a 800-1,000 left over for good measure.

Does all that sound right? Does anyone else two with the 5.0 in a similar configuration that can set my mind at ease a bit? I'm not new to towing, but my previous TT was around 7,500lbs - but towed with a V10 Excursion.

Need to make a decision quick on the TT. It really is a screaming deal for a 2014 model... Thanks in advance...

[therink]

Congrats. Sounds like a good choice. Enjoy it!

[Hyfives5]

FYI. I did pass on the 26ft and ended up buying a 2012 Aljo 250 with three bunks. It should be perfect for our family and our TV with a dry weight of 4,700lbs. and GVWR of 6,200lbs. We pick her up tomorrow. I'll need to update my sig once we get it home - but we're going direct from the dealership to the beach for the weekend. Carpe Diem...

Thanks for all the advice.

[blt2ski]

I might do it, I would want to know what the axel ratings were vs just the gvwr. But being as the OP has decided NOT to get the trailer.....we will never know how well or not it will tow. Personally, I think it would do WAY the hecko better than most of you think it will. My son has pulled 7-8K lb trailers with his 4 sp 3.42 geared 1500 GM, it does just fine. This newer ferd with the 6 sp should do even better yet as APT pointed out from a gearing standpoint. Besides, the motor in the OP's truck is probably around 300 hp! better than the 7.3 psd many of you like to say is one of the better motors. So it has a few more lbs of torque, but again, would bet the 5.0 is putting an equal amount to the ra with the gearing this thing has vs what one had in a 7.3psd! or an early cummins, or gm 6.5 etc.

Heck, I used to pull this with a 105/274 292 I6. Or upwards of 26K with a 175/330 non turbo diesel..... I would sorry about the chassis more than the drive train.

Marty

[AlbertaNewbie]

1619lb payload less 1000lb tw =619lbs for anything on the truck over a full tank of gas and a 150lb driver, in other words 3-4 people and their jackets, clothes and shoes they are wearing, NOTHING ELSE as youd be over weight.

[Seattle_Lion]

Hyfives5 wrote:
I have a 2013 (company-owned) F150 SuperCrew with the 5.0 V8, 3.31 gears and 145" WB. It has the tow package and integrated brake control system. Sine it's company-owned, there's no upgrading and no changing the gears, etc. The GCWR is stated at 13,500lbs with a curb weight of 5,254lbs. The tow capacity is stated at 8,000lbs.

I found a screaming deal on a 28ft. TT with with 5,770lbs shipping weight and a GVWR of 7,690lbs. The numbers on paper look decent, with about 1,000lbs of occupants/dogs/stuff & hitch in the truck and throwing another 1,000lbs in the TT for good measure and the numbers seem to indicate around a 800-1,000 left over for good measure.

Does all that sound right? Does anyone else two with the 5.0 in a similar configuration that can set my mind at ease a bit? I'm not new to towing, but my previous TT was around 7,500lbs - but towed with a V10 Excursion.

Need to make a decision quick on the TT. It really is a screaming deal for a 2014 model... Thanks in advance...

It sounds to me like you will be way over GMVWR. We were over with virtually the same truck (2013 F150 Crew Cab). You will almost certainly be over the max payload for the truck. The towing rating and hitch weight (with a WD hitch) will work (barely), but your payload is probably under 1,500 lbs if you weigh the truck.

[APT]

bigorange wrote:

donn0128 wrote:
Will it tow it? Yes absolutely. Will you be happy pulling it? That is a question only you can answer. Consider going up a mountain grade at 20 MPH, or white knuckle ride going down the other side. Or god forbid a panic stop and you being pushed through an intersection.
Personally I think it just too much for a 1/2 ton. But thats only my opinion.

Agree 100%

I had almost the same truck as my first TV, pulling our TT that was more in the 6,000 range. It towed it, but not great. I was always a little anxious, and the truck didn't pull hills very well. I think the gear ratio is definitely the limiting factor. I upgraded to a 3/4 ton diesel and no worries. 😄

Disagree 100%.

Trailer brakes stop the trailer. TV brakes stop the TV. Gearing of 3.31 is better than 5 years ago with 4.56!



And the 5.0L makes far more HP and a little more torque than the old 5.4L. Power isn't the problem. And it wouldn't be going 20mpg up hills/mountains. Springs/suspension.

Would a 3/4 ton diesel be better? Absolutely! But the difference in towing performance is not that wide.

[bigorange]

donn0128 wrote:
Will it tow it? Yes absolutely. Will you be happy pulling it? That is a question only you can answer. Consider going up a mountain grade at 20 MPH, or white knuckle ride going down the other side. Or god forbid a panic stop and you being pushed through an intersection.
Personally I think it just too much for a 1/2 ton. But thats only my opinion.

Agree 100%

I had almost the same truck as my first TV, pulling our TT that was more in the 6,000 range. It towed it, but not great. I was always a little anxious, and the truck didn't pull hills very well. I think the gear ratio is definitely the limiting factor. I upgraded to a 3/4 ton diesel and no worries. 😄

[loulou57]

Definitely talk to the company about your truck being used to pull the TT.

We have had numerous company vehicles/ trucks. The company would not have allowed this as well as the company's insurance poicy on the truck.

[APT]

Does not sound like enough payload for 1000 pounds of people and cargo in the bed plus 1000 pounds of TW. 1600 pounds of pretty good though. If you can put as much into the TT as possible, great!

While 3.31 is not ideal, the 6-spd trans really helps. Like better than older 4-spds with 4.10 axle.

[carringb]

I'd do it. It won't perform as well as if you had a better axle ratio, and you'll have to watch how you pack so you don't overload the pickup. But really going a little over GCWR just means you'll be a little slower sometimes, and you may have a keep a closer watch on your transmission temps. COnsidering the alternative would be buying your own truck, I think close is good enough in this case.

[Tvov]

aftermath wrote:
HyFives,

What do you have to lose by giving this a try? I pull a trailer with a GVW of 7200 with my "little" half ton Tundra. Folks on this forum say over and over again it won't work. I especially love the response, "Can you pull it, yes but will you be happy pulling it?" Unless you have a heavy duty 3/4 ton diesel, you should just stay home on the weekends.

What's the rear axle ratio on your Tundra?

[eluwak]

Hyfives5 wrote:
The payload (on the sticker) is 1,619lbs.

I've decided to wait and pass on the deal...

Probably wise. A 6700 lbs camper will likely have a 800-1000 lbs TW, and with the your payload rating and the 1000 lbs of people/stuff/hitch you estimated you would have been a bit over payload.

When I moved back to Orlando from Huntsville, AL, I had the truck a tad overloaded. The combo worked fine, but was not something I would have been comfortable with under normal circumstances. Since it was just me with the TV & TT, and the folks following with their A, we took the back roads to keep speed down and stay out of heavy traffic.

[camping_man]

Myself, I'd do it, but I've been known for doing things most folks won't.lol As long as the numbers are fine, whether you like how it pulls is a personal preference really.

[aftermath]

HyFives,

What do you have to lose by giving this a try? I pull a trailer with a GVW of 7200 with my "little" half ton Tundra. Folks on this forum say over and over again it won't work. I especially love the response, "Can you pull it, yes but will you be happy pulling it?" Unless you have a heavy duty 3/4 ton diesel, you should just stay home on the weekends.

Towing anything at the limit of the specs will always be a bit iffy. In these cases it would serve you well to really look at how you plan to use your trailer. Are you the type to load the truck heavily with toys, wood, generators and such? Do you drive fast and want to speed up the hills? Well, if so, then you do need to heed the "advice" given by the bigger is better crowd. If not then I would say that the company truck will work for you. Is there a way you can give this a try? What is the chance of talking your boss into a slightly better truck?