Torque wars continue in the diesels

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Ford has upped the ante to 450hp/935tq and a max tow rating of 34,000# in the F450.

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[transamz9]

burningman wrote:
It’s kinda’ funny all the bragging about what brand has this much torque.
More than that has been available for a long time from either Fords Chevys or Dodges.
Bigger injectors, bigger and/or compound turbo setups, better electronics, stronger transmission parts, head studs, etc. can be installed on any of them and you can make more power than any stock new pickup.
None of the brands are limited to what their stock numbers are and even the older ones can do it.

There is a difference, beleive me. I have both. I still love running around in my modded 2005 but it sure is nice cruisin' down the road in my 16.

[transamz9]

1stgenfarmboy wrote:
Yeh, my old truck started out factory with 400tq, now it's a tad under 800, goes to show what you can do if you wan't.





My wife would be ok with driving it if I could make it ride like a modern 1/2 ton, have no exhaust diesel smell, be quiet as a gas engine..........:R :h



I guess thats why we just put her in a gas 1/2 ton truck.

The new Fords and Chevies give you all that plus more than 800 lbft of torque with a warranty.

800 lbft........that's cute. LOL

[1stgenfarmboy]

Yeh, my old truck started out factory with 400tq, now it's a tad under 800, goes to show what you can do if you wan't.





My wife would be ok with driving it if I could make it ride like a modern 1/2 ton, have no exhaust diesel smell, be quiet as a gas engine..........:R :h



I guess thats why we just put her in a gas 1/2 ton truck.

[burningman]

It’s kinda’ funny all the bragging about what brand has this much torque.
More than that has been available for a long time from either Fords Chevys or Dodges.
Bigger injectors, bigger and/or compound turbo setups, better electronics, stronger transmission parts, head studs, etc. can be installed on any of them and you can make more power than any stock new pickup.
None of the brands are limited to what their stock numbers are and even the older ones can do it.

[Lessmore]

Supercharged wrote:
I only drive on roads that a level.So don't need any power.

Me too. I live on the prairies.;) Good to see you back Super.

[Cummins12V98]

FishOnOne wrote:
^^^^I remember driving a preproduction dodge ram with a 5.9 cummins to the county fair in April '88 to put on display and I think that engine would run out of steam around ~2,000 rpm's so it was tuned more for industrial applications, but was a dog in a pickup, but then again they all were in those times.

Here is the first one.

[FishOnOne]

^^^^I remember driving a preproduction dodge ram with a 5.9 cummins to the county fair in April '88 to put on display and I think that engine would run out of steam around ~2,000 rpm's so it was tuned more for industrial applications, but was a dog in a pickup, but then again they all were in those times.

[ShinerBock]

FishOnOne wrote:


I've never seen any of the cummins trucks or the Power Stroke trucks with 1,000,000 miles.

I have met a few when I worked for Cummins. One delivered boats across the US and the other delivered cars.

[ShinerBock]

DSteiner51 wrote:


JCB Fastrac tractors used the Cummins 5.9. 6000 hours was about it. CaseIH, those I’m familiar with used other Cummins engines with better longetivity more in line with John Deere, New Holland, and others.

I’m not knocking the 5.9/6.7. It may be just fine in a pickup truck where it only runs max performance for short spurts but it just isn’t what it’s bigger siblings are at all contrary to what some want to claim.

It probably has more to do with how the engine is designed. The Cummins 5.9L and 6.7L are really not ideal for use in tractors mainly because they are designed for higher peak power and torque levels than most tractors normally run in. Most larger Cummins and other tractor specific diesel engines are designed to achieve peak torque really low at around 1,000-1,300 rpms and have a max speed of around 2,000 rpm so you don't have to run them as high to get the torque and power you need.

This is probably why the Iveco 5.9L that was meant for tractors and slower road speeds had a much longer stroke with lower peak power and operating rpms. The diesel engines in our pickups are not ideal for these kind of applications.

[FishOnOne]

4x4ord wrote:
Based on my past trucks by the time I get 100,000 miles on my Ford it will likely be in next to new condition. I'll still be ready for a new one.

My '12 with 135k miles still looks great including the leather seats. I still really enjoy this truck and it's been very economical to own so I plan to keep it.

[4x4ord]

Based on my past trucks by the time I get 100,000 miles on my Ford it will likely be in next to new condition. I'll still be ready for a new one.

[Supercharged]

I only drive on roads that a level.So don't need any power.

[DSteiner51]

FishOnOne wrote:

blofgren wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Yeah, there's only thousands of them that have made to over one million miles"

Just look at the Cummins High Mileage Club!

I went to the high mileage club and filtered on 1,000,000 miles and came up with (115) 5.9 CTD and (6) 6.7 CTD.

The 5.9's with over 1,000,000 are mostly the low HP versions.

OK, how many 6.0L, 6.4L and 6.7L Powerstrokes have hit that milestone? 😉 :B

I won't put the tried and true 7.3L in that question because it is a great engine that I've got a ton of respect for and I've read of several that have.

I've never seen any of the cummins trucks or the Power Stroke trucks with 1,000,000 miles.

I’ll take most of those claims with a grain of salt. I had one fellow, who knew at one time I was all diesel, who had a souped up 5.9 and pulled an enclosed trailer for business claiming for years that he got 20+mpg towing. He decided if I rode along one trip he would have me converted back to diesel. I rode with him to Tennessee. Unfortunately I kept a track of his fuel mileage and when we got back I calculated his real mileage he back pedaled real fast with some of the dumbest excuses. I also saw a few work orders in his glove box when he was’t around.

I figured if he was so dishonest I didn’t want to do business with him and haven’t talked to him since. Oh, he bought a Ram hemi since, I’m told, to replace his 5.9.

[FishOnOne]

blofgren wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Yeah, there's only thousands of them that have made to over one million miles"

Just look at the Cummins High Mileage Club!

I went to the high mileage club and filtered on 1,000,000 miles and came up with (115) 5.9 CTD and (6) 6.7 CTD.

The 5.9's with over 1,000,000 are mostly the low HP versions.

OK, how many 6.0L, 6.4L and 6.7L Powerstrokes have hit that milestone? 😉 :B

I won't put the tried and true 7.3L in that question because it is a great engine that I've got a ton of respect for and I've read of several that have.

I've never seen any of the cummins trucks or the Power Stroke trucks with 1,000,000 miles.

[blofgren]

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Yeah, there's only thousands of them that have made to over one million miles"

Just look at the Cummins High Mileage Club!

I went to the high mileage club and filtered on 1,000,000 miles and came up with (115) 5.9 CTD and (6) 6.7 CTD.

The 5.9's with over 1,000,000 are mostly the low HP versions.

OK, how many 6.0L, 6.4L and 6.7L Powerstrokes have hit that milestone? 😉 :B

I won't put the tried and true 7.3L in that question because it is a great engine that I've got a ton of respect for and I've read of several that have.