What has 3 rows and can pull 9K?

[davehultin]

Kinda sounds like a grade-school riddle, right? We recently purchased a trailer with a GVWR of 7700 pounds, and are looking for our next tow vehicle. (No rush yet, we won't need it until spring.)

We had been thinking pickup, and looked at a really nice extended cab GMS Sierra that could do the job, but my wife is favoring a vehicle with three rows.

Friends of ours use a Toyota Sequoia which has three rows for seating and is rated for 9000 pounds. That would work well for us, but there aren't any (used) in our market. Any other vehicles like that I could search for?

[intheburbs]

colliehauler wrote:

intheburbs wrote:

BenK wrote:
Though it still has a 8,600 GVWR...

Not sure if you're talking about your K3500 or the Suburban. If you're talking about the new 1-ton Burb, you're off by quite a bit regarding GVWR.

The new Burb has a GVWR of 11,000 lbs, and a payload rating of over 4200 lbs. That means it more than doubles the payload of my '08 2500 Burb, and only adds a few hundred pounds of curb weight. And this is substantially higher than the GMT800 2500 Burbs, and even the Excursion. All the makings of a monster TV. What a shame if they don't do more with it.

Probably built for limited government and armored vehicles. They probably don't want the public to purchase them because of what it would do to there fuel economy standards overall.

Correct. You can't go to your dealer and order/buy a new one. However, they're out there if you look around. I would drive to NC tomorrow to trade in my '08 Burb if I had confirmation about the towing ability....and I don't even see an integral brake controller.
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[colliehauler]

intheburbs wrote:

BenK wrote:
Though it still has a 8,600 GVWR...

Not sure if you're talking about your K3500 or the Suburban. If you're talking about the new 1-ton Burb, you're off by quite a bit regarding GVWR.

The new Burb has a GVWR of 11,000 lbs, and a payload rating of over 4200 lbs. That means it more than doubles the payload of my '08 2500 Burb, and only adds a few hundred pounds of curb weight. And this is substantially higher than the GMT800 2500 Burbs, and even the Excursion. All the makings of a monster TV. What a shame if they don't do more with it.

Probably built for limited government and armored vehicles. They probably don't want the public to purchase them because of what it would do to there fuel economy standards overall.

[intheburbs]

BenK wrote:
Though it still has a 8,600 GVWR...

Not sure if you're talking about your K3500 or the Suburban. If you're talking about the new 1-ton Burb, you're off by quite a bit regarding GVWR.

The new Burb has a GVWR of 11,000 lbs, and a payload rating of over 4200 lbs. That means it more than doubles the payload of my '08 2500 Burb, and only adds a few hundred pounds of curb weight. And this is substantially higher than the GMT800 2500 Burbs, and even the Excursion. All the makings of a monster TV. What a shame if they don't do more with it.

[BenK]

Current 2017 1 ton Sub is designed for armor plating (limo duty) and NOT designed for towing

My K3500 was designed for both people hauler and towing...tongue'n cheek K3500 'cuz ordered it with the F60 option...which cost around $68 bucks

The Snow plow option begot a 1 ton front spring Snow Plow prep package

Plus the rear 6K GAWR is the same as the 1 ton dually of that year...

Though it still has a 8,600 GVWR...

[intheburbs]

dodge guy wrote:

RedRocket204 wrote:

travelnman wrote:
Dave, I'm waiting for the new 2018 Ford Expedition looks awesome a real
Suburban killer. Its rated well over your requirements with 3 seats.

Not intending to be a pessimist here but the only statement I could find is that there is a Ford claimed "best in class towing" statement about the 2018 Ford Expedition. No where are max payload or towing capacity numbers to know if this is still going to be 1/2-ton capacities or higher. I do hope Ford is giving the capability of 3/4-ton range but only time will tell.

3/4 ton carrying capacity would require stiffer suspension, which soccer mommies and daddies will not like. So I doubt it will be much. Although a 2k lb CCC would be very good.

I never understood that. My 2500 Burb rides beautifully. No one ever comments on the ride being too harsh or stiff. Stock suspension, tires inflated at 50F/71R per the max inflation door tag, and Bilstein 4600 shocks.

The 2018 Expy a "Suburban killer?" Not likely, especially compared to the '13 and older 2500. It's still a half-ton, with semi-floater axles. I'll take my 10,000-lb 10.5" full floater, TYVM.

Still a bit confused why the 2016 3500HD Burb has such a low tow rating. Found a really nice '16 totally optioned out - leather, nav, rear DVDs, sunroof, etc. for $84,900. Honestly, if it actually had some decent towing rating, I'd be trading in my '08 2500.

[js6343js6343]

I tow an 8,000 Spinter that I load to 11,000 pounds. My 2004 Suburban is rated for 12,000 pounds.

I STILL wish I had more truck.

[BenK]

"best in class towing"...define which class it is in GVWR...that is the true metric instead of marketing verbiage/nomenclature

[dodge_guy]

RedRocket204 wrote:

travelnman wrote:
Dave, I'm waiting for the new 2018 Ford Expedition looks awesome a real
Suburban killer. Its rated well over your requirements with 3 seats.

Not intending to be a pessimist here but the only statement I could find is that there is a Ford claimed "best in class towing" statement about the 2018 Ford Expedition. No where are max payload or towing capacity numbers to know if this is still going to be 1/2-ton capacities or higher. I do hope Ford is giving the capability of 3/4-ton range but only time will tell.

3/4 ton carrying capacity would require stiffer suspension, which soccer mommies and daddies will not like. So I doubt it will be much. Although a 2k lb CCC would be very good.

[RedRocket204]

travelnman wrote:
Dave, I'm waiting for the new 2018 Ford Expedition looks awesome a real
Suburban killer. Its rated well over your requirements with 3 seats.

Not intending to be a pessimist here but the only statement I could find is that there is a Ford claimed "best in class towing" statement about the 2018 Ford Expedition. No where are max payload or towing capacity numbers to know if this is still going to be 1/2-ton capacities or higher. I do hope Ford is giving the capability of 3/4-ton range but only time will tell.

[travelnman]

Dave, I'm waiting for the new 2018 Ford Expedition looks awesome a real
Suburban killer. Its rated well over your requirements with 3 seats. I wish
there were owners out there that could tell us more but it comes out in late
2017, I think it is worth waiting for. Put in the search window "2018 Expedition" and take a look. I think your wife will like the inside looks and
creature features of this new truck. It looks more like a typical luxury
vehicle than a truck. Dennis B.

[colliehauler]

Redwoodcamper wrote:
Expedition was a good choice. The 7.3 version would be best, but the V10 works. It's just terrible on fuel and really weak for how much fuel it uses. Good frame and towing capacity.

I think you have your vehicles mixed up, the Excursion could be had with a 6.8 or 7.3 Diesel and was a 3/4 ton SUV the Expedition is a half ton based SUV with the largest motor being the 5.4 V-8 . The current Expedition has the V-6 Eco-boost.

[jgos929]

I have a 2017 Expedition EL and it would pull your trailer all day. What I do is store everything I'm taking on the trip in the garage of my trailer. Only thing in the truck is passengers and their ipads or whatever they need to make the trip comfortably. I would rather the truck pull more weight then be weighed down if that makes sense.

[SpeakEasy]

davehultin wrote:

RinconVTR wrote:
First load it up and go weigh it.

OK, stupid question time ... HOW do you weigh it?

I've never ever before weighed any vehicle in my life. Teach me once and I'll know forever!

I see the CAT scales at truck stops and truck-friendly convenience stores, but what's the protocol? Drive up on a pad of some kind then go inside and say, "There it is, weigh that please!" I'm looking for the step-by-step instructions that will allow me to leave with a reliable weight measurement.

Don't leave me hanging here, please don't tell me I'm the only one with this question! 🙂

It's actually kind of fun. You have to think like a trucker: Drive up onto the scales. There will be a call button (at truck-cab height). When you're ready, call in and tell them to get the weights. Then drive off the scales, go inside and ask them for the printout of your weights. It will cost something like $10 or so.

Now it gets more tricky if you want a full set of statistics. Someone more expert than I will jump in here and give you the procedure. There are actually TWO scales: You'll want to position your axles properly so that the two scales give you info that you want and need.

-Speak

[davehultin]

RinconVTR wrote:
First load it up and go weigh it.

OK, stupid question time ... HOW do you weigh it?

I've never ever before weighed any vehicle in my life. Teach me once and I'll know forever!

I see the CAT scales at truck stops and truck-friendly convenience stores, but what's the protocol? Drive up on a pad of some kind then go inside and say, "There it is, weigh that please!" I'm looking for the step-by-step instructions that will allow me to leave with a reliable weight measurement.

Don't leave me hanging here, please don't tell me I'm the only one with this question! 🙂