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LittleRed586
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I kept seeing Passport America mentioned here on the forum so I looked it up and it seems too good to be true. I don't understand how they can do half off full hookup sites for only $44 a year.

I was looking at their campground directory and I'm amazed at how many of these sites offer full hookups for as low as $10 a night. I shot my husband the link to their directory and he was impressed but skeptical. I know that some of the sites have restrictions on how many nights, day of the week, season, etc. My husband said that we can live with that because we may only be at a place for a night or two and being full timers our schedule will be really flexible.

How long has this program been in existence? What experiences has everyone had with it? How are the facilities at parks you have stayed at?

We were originally going to stay in military campgrounds but if this program is good we might find ourselves at more private campgrounds.
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GoPackGo
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There are a lot of 'ifs' in your argument.

The bottom line is that IF you've targeted a certain area to stop for a night or two, than it makes sense to see if there's a nice PPA park there. We're not buying a house; We're not buying a car; we just want a decent place to stay for a bit.

Old-Biscuit
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westernrvparkowner wrote:
Half off is only as valuable as what you could buy a similar product or service for elsewhere. If the Passport park lists the regular price as $40, you get it for $20.00. If another park is $35.00 and offers 10 percent discount for KOA, Good Sam, AARP etc. you pay $31.50, so you are saving $11.50, not really $20.00. Then if that Passport park is 5 miles further out, you have spent $3.00 or so additional in fuel. Now you are saving $8.50. If there are less amenities or the park is somewhat substandard compared to the other park, is $8.50 savings worth it? To some, yes. To others, No.
On top of that, you have to take into consideration the restrictions. Other threads on this subject have had posts where people have run into Passport parks only offering their least desirable sites at PPA rates. Some Passport parks charge extra for things like 50 Amp service.
You often do not save a net 50 percent at a Passport America park. It is really no different than going to a car dealer and having them tell you are saving $10,000 because the sticker on the car lists a "convenience group discount" for getting a car with power windows, power locks, power seats, windshield wipers and cruise control. The sticker says that purchased separately, those items would be $7000, but you are "only" paying $2000 by getting this package, therefore you are getting a $5000.00 discount. Then they add in the factory rebate of $3000 and tell you that the 2.9 percent finance rate somehow is a $2000 benefit and Viola, you have that $10,000 discount and you are still paying sticker price.


I take it you are NOT a PassPort America Affiliate CG based on your 'sales pitch'

IF I stay at a PA Affiliate RV Park then I save 50% for staying there.

I don't care what other CGs charge as I am not staying there so their rates do NOT impact my savings.
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westernrvparkowner wrote:
Half off is only as valuable as what you could buy a similar product or service for elsewhere. If the Passport park lists the regular price as $40, you get it for $20.00. If another park is $35.00 and offers 10 percent discount for KOA, Good Sam, AARP etc. you pay $31.50, so you are saving $11.50, not really $20.00. Then if that Passport park is 5 miles further out, you have spent $3.00 or so additional in fuel. Now you are saving $8.50. If there are less amenities or the park is somewhat substandard compared to the other park, is $8.50 savings worth it? To some, yes. To others, No.
On top of that, you have to take into consideration the restrictions. Other threads on this subject have had posts where people have run into Passport parks only offering their least desirable sites at PPA rates. Some Passport parks charge extra for things like 50 Amp service.
You often do not save a net 50 percent at a Passport America park. It is really no different than going to a car dealer and having them tell you are saving $10,000 because the sticker on the car lists a "convenience group discount" for getting a car with power windows, power locks, power seats, windshield wipers and cruise control. The sticker says that purchased separately, those items would be $7000, but you are "only" paying $2000 by getting this package, therefore you are getting a $5000.00 discount. Then they add in the factory rebate of $3000 and tell you that the 2.9 percent finance rate somehow is a $2000 benefit and Viola, you have that $10,000 discount and you are still paying sticker price.


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westernrvparkow
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Half off is only as valuable as what you could buy a similar product or service for elsewhere. If the Passport park lists the regular price as $40, you get it for $20.00. If another park is $35.00 and offers 10 percent discount for KOA, Good Sam, AARP etc. you pay $31.50, so you are saving $11.50, not really $20.00. Then if that Passport park is 5 miles further out, you have spent $3.00 or so additional in fuel. Now you are saving $8.50. If there are less amenities or the park is somewhat substandard compared to the other park, is $8.50 savings worth it? To some, yes. To others, No.
On top of that, you have to take into consideration the restrictions. Other threads on this subject have had posts where people have run into Passport parks only offering their least desirable sites at PPA rates. Some Passport parks charge extra for things like 50 Amp service.
You often do not save a net 50 percent at a Passport America park. It is really no different than going to a car dealer and having them tell you are saving $10,000 because the sticker on the car lists a "convenience group discount" for getting a car with power windows, power locks, power seats, windshield wipers and cruise control. The sticker says that purchased separately, those items would be $7000, but you are "only" paying $2000 by getting this package, therefore you are getting a $5000.00 discount. Then they add in the factory rebate of $3000 and tell you that the 2.9 percent finance rate somehow is a $2000 benefit and Viola, you have that $10,000 discount and you are still paying sticker price.

GoPackGo
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I've been a PPA member since I started full timing 4 years ago. It is a very good deal and you can recoup your investment with just a few stays. Most CGs seem to put restrictions on when the discount can be used but being a full timer makes this pretty easy to deal with.

I do recommend that you also visit rvparkreviews.com to see what kind of ratings your chosen CG gets.

Also, if you are at least 62, grab the Government issued lifetime senior pass for $10 now before it goes up to $80 sometime later this year.

I also belong to Escapees ($40/yr). They have about 15 parks scattered around the western and southern parts of the country where you can stay for about $20/nite. They also have a book full of private parks that have signed up to give 10-15 percent discounts to members. My favorite Escapees park is Park Sierra, located about 15 miles outside of Yosemite Park - parksierra.net

Old-Biscuit
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TripleE wrote:
Passport America has been around for over 10 years. We have a lifetime membership and have saved more than that over the last 10 years. You have to follow the restrictions but it is a great plan to use when traveling. We also use the Nat'l Park Senior and Disabled Park Passes. Using COE parks really helps. We stay at Famcamps when we can and enjoying seeing this great country of ours. Join for a year and see what you think. You won't be wasting the money.


Make that over 24 yrs. It was started in 1992

We used it during our FT travels along with fairgrounds, city parks, COE and a 'private membership' we purchased via RESALE for pennies on the dollar.

Made controlling nightly costs very manageable while FTng.
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Keep in mind if you're a Good Sam Club member, that you'll save $5 when joining Passport America!

1-year membership $39.95
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LittleRed586 wrote:
I'm a trucker with a recently minted accounting degree so the math on this subject is fascinating!

Then you should know what variable and fixed costs are. As long as the site is rented for more than the variable costs (the actual costs of the hookups - electric, water and sewer), any part of the fees over the variable costs helps cover the fixed costs and increase net income.
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TripleE
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Passport America has been around for over 10 years. We have a lifetime membership and have saved more than that over the last 10 years. You have to follow the restrictions but it is a great plan to use when traveling. We also use the Nat'l Park Senior and Disabled Park Passes. Using COE parks really helps. We stay at Famcamps when we can and enjoying seeing this great country of ours. Join for a year and see what you think. You won't be wasting the money.
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jarata1
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Good deals but some in New England won't let you use them in the summer

Ivylog
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Pretty easy math... two nights usually pays the yearly price. Will only find a few during winter in Florida or in Colorado during the summer. Their website actually has pretty good trip planning and will show member campgrounds along the route.
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NCWriter
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We renew every year and always save more than our membership fee. Some very nice places are part of PA, as well as some average but OK for an overnight places. It's a very small investment to try out for a year if you are doing extensive touring in the US and Canada.

If you do a search of the company name on this site, you'll find a very recent identical discussion, by the way. Comes up often.

NYCgrrl
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LittleRed586 wrote:
I'm a trucker with a recently minted accounting degree so the math on this subject is fascinating!

You'll find that it's a longstanding business practice that started in hotels and has now moved to other aspects of the hospitality industry.
The "magical" pricing is based on Acctng 101: average cost per day of a unit or in this case, campsite. Helps to explain high, shoulder, and low season pricing.

jnharley
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We are also lifetime members and as full timers, we recouped our cost in a year. We have never found a PPA campground where we felt unsafe or wanted to leave. Some of them are top notch campgrounds. If one can live with the restrictions, it is a way to help keep costs down much like the govt's Senior/Disabled Pass.
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LadyRVer
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I am a Lifetime Member...joined back in 1992 on a yearly membership, finally was offered Lifetime at a good price and took it. I cannot begin to tell you how much I have saved in camping fees over the years. I can live with the restrictions and only drove through and pulled out of one campground in all these years.

I have stayed in very nice parks for 21.00 a night, fhu, WiFi and cable. Have stayed in acceptable parks for as low as 15.00 a night.