Goodyear G614 tires

[wacdmc]

In my reviews of these forums the last few weeks, I've read about a bunch of Goodyear G614 failures but no Sailun S637 failures.

I can't see spending $500 extra to get Goodyear tires with a history of blowouts in order to replace tires on my camper that also have a history of blowouts (Power King Tow Max).

Were the Goodyear failures on older models and are they improved now?

[ken_white]

Me Again wrote:

ken white wrote:


X2...

We just purchased a new 5th that came with substandard tires and new tires will be purchased in the Spring when we start camping again.

A DRV with substandard OEM tires??? What are they?

Chris

TowMax E-Rated ST tires are standard on the Tradition. Optional if ordering, but we purchased off the lot, are G-Rated tires. The wheels are rated at 110 psi, so LT tires it will be...

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[JEBar]

it appears that Sailun tires aren't readily available in NC .... I can't find a dealer anywhere around so that leads to the question as to a support structure across the country

Jim

[Travlingman]

Blackcell wrote:
I need to replace my stock Duro's "E" rated next year. Tread & sidewalls are still very good but they're hitting close to 6 yrs old and I almost always have to add 10-15lbs of air everytime we want to go camping. I have a big trip planned next year and I want tires to be the least of my worries. I did some research months ago and concluded on going with G614 but dreading the cost. That is until I hit this thread. Wow, lots of great info in here! I have 7000lb axles but I also don't load up to capacity or even near my weight capacity limit. I'm not a full-timer or anything remotely close; long time before I can retire. So, I was debating if "G" rated were more about handling max capacity, peace of mind, combination of both or something else I'm missing? I also want (like to have) tires that are rated above 65mph just for that extra margin of safety. I hope the positive Sailun reviews continue.

Plan on buying rims too as I doubt the ones you have now will be rated to handle the pressure of "G" rated tires.

[larry_barnhart]

Carriage installed sub standard tires on their products. Short story on my friend with a 2011 35 ft cameo with e load Duro tires. I told him what we all know about duro and his answer was a smart remark, well what do you want me to do buy new tires? He just sold it and on the way to the new owners, guess what happened???? Now they know the deal.
chevman

[Me_Again]

ken white wrote:


X2...

We just purchased a new 5th that came with substandard tires and new tires will be purchased in the Spring when we start camping again.

A DRV with substandard OEM tires??? What are they?

Chris

[ken_white]

NC Hauler wrote:

Blackcell wrote:
I need to replace my stock Duro's "E" rated next year. Tread & sidewalls are still very good but they're hitting close to 6 yrs old and I almost always have to add 10-15lbs of air everytime we want to go camping. I have a big trip planned next year and I want tires to be the least of my worries. I did some research months ago and concluded on going with G614 but dreading the cost. That is until I hit this thread. Wow, lots of great info in here! I have 7000lb axles but I also don't load up to capacity or even near my weight capacity limit. I'm not a full-timer or anything remotely close; long time before I can retire. So, I was debating if "G" rated were more about handling max capacity, peace of mind, combination of both or something else I'm missing? I also want (like to have) tires that are rated above 65mph just for that extra margin of safety. I hope the positive Sailun reviews continue.

I'd NEVER "cut corners" when it comes to purchasing tires on my 5er. Unless you've weighed your 5er loaded, how do you know what you're towing at? At 6 yrs of age and you stating you have to add 10-15# every time you go camping should raise some flags. Your 5er is one of the heavy one's.

All it takes is one blow out, possible damage to your 5er and setting on the side of the road having to replace a tire....been there, done that, don't want to EVER do it again.

You can't put a price on "Peace of mind"....I'd be scared of your tires and seeing as how you're running 7,000# axles "IF" the less pricier Saliun tires won't fit, I'd go with the GY G 614's...G rated tires are what they are, handling towing speed, handling the weight of the 5er and the right tool to use for the job.....

We aren't full timers either, but I won't crimp when it comes to purchasing tires for my 5er...My time is more valuable to me than working on and fixing an issue due to a tire failure. Some times you have to spend a little more money to do the right thing for you and your family...again, it's hard to put a price on peace of mind or being broke down on the side of the road.....

X2...

We just purchased a new 5th that came with substandard tires and new tires will be purchased in the Spring when we start camping again.

[NC_Hauler]

Blackcell wrote:
I need to replace my stock Duro's "E" rated next year. Tread & sidewalls are still very good but they're hitting close to 6 yrs old and I almost always have to add 10-15lbs of air everytime we want to go camping. I have a big trip planned next year and I want tires to be the least of my worries. I did some research months ago and concluded on going with G614 but dreading the cost. That is until I hit this thread. Wow, lots of great info in here! I have 7000lb axles but I also don't load up to capacity or even near my weight capacity limit. I'm not a full-timer or anything remotely close; long time before I can retire. So, I was debating if "G" rated were more about handling max capacity, peace of mind, combination of both or something else I'm missing? I also want (like to have) tires that are rated above 65mph just for that extra margin of safety. I hope the positive Sailun reviews continue.

I'd NEVER "cut corners" when it comes to purchasing tires on my 5er. Unless you've weighed your 5er loaded, how do you know what you're towing at? At 6 yrs of age and you stating you have to add 10-15# every time you go camping should raise some flags. Your 5er is one of the heavy one's.

All it takes is one blow out, possible damage to your 5er and setting on the side of the road having to replace a tire....been there, done that, don't want to EVER do it again.

You can't put a price on "Peace of mind"....I'd be scared of your tires and seeing as how you're running 7,000# axles "IF" the less pricier Saliun tires won't fit, I'd go with the GY G 614's...G rated tires are what they are, handling towing speed, handling the weight of the 5er and the right tool to use for the job.....

We aren't full timers either, but I won't crimp when it comes to purchasing tires for my 5er...My time is more valuable to me than working on and fixing an issue due to a tire failure. Some times you have to spend a little more money to do the right thing for you and your family...again, it's hard to put a price on peace of mind or being broke down on the side of the road.....

[Me_Again]

Blackcell wrote:
I need to replace my stock Duro's "E" rated next year. Tread & sidewalls are still very good but they're hitting close to 6 yrs old and I almost always have to add 10-15lbs of air everytime we want to go camping. I have a big trip planned next year and I want tires to be the least of my worries. I did some research months ago and concluded on going with G614 but dreading the cost. That is until I hit this thread. Wow, lots of great info in here! I have 7000lb axles but I also don't load up to capacity or even near my weight capacity limit. I'm not a full-timer or anything remotely close; long time before I can retire. So, I was debating if "G" rated were more about handling max capacity, peace of mind, combination of both or something else I'm missing? I also want (like to have) tires that are rated above 65mph just for that extra margin of safety. I hope the positive Sailun reviews continue.

Just remember that the Sailun will be larger in diameter. You will need at least 33" center to center on your axles to use them.

And I might add you are one lucky guy with those Duro's. I would be afraid to drive it to a tire shop at this point! I have Carriage friends in our snowbird park that were not that lucky!

Chris

[Blackcell]

I need to replace my stock Duro's "E" rated next year. Tread & sidewalls are still very good but they're hitting close to 6 yrs old and I almost always have to add 10-15lbs of air everytime we want to go camping. I have a big trip planned next year and I want tires to be the least of my worries. I did some research months ago and concluded on going with G614 but dreading the cost. That is until I hit this thread. Wow, lots of great info in here! I have 7000lb axles but I also don't load up to capacity or even near my weight capacity limit. I'm not a full-timer or anything remotely close; long time before I can retire. So, I was debating if "G" rated were more about handling max capacity, peace of mind, combination of both or something else I'm missing? I also want (like to have) tires that are rated above 65mph just for that extra margin of safety. I hope the positive Sailun reviews continue.

[NC_Hauler]

....I'm hoping that GY will see they FINALLY have a good "G" rated tire on the market that is going to compete with their G614....they haven't had that to really compete with that, until now....I'm not counting all the no-name "G" rated tires out there that I would only use to make a swing for my grandkids....

If the Sailun tire is getting that kind of mileage, to where age is going to get it before mileage does, I will be on board...IF they keep their prices lower than the G614's.

Will keep checking on the reports of these Sailun tires over the next couple of years and if price is competitive, I very well may end up with them on my 5er.

As Chris mentioned, tread wear can fool you...I've changed tires out with 35-40,000 miles on them and the tread and rest of tire looked great....Age, more than anything should be most pertinent when looking to change a tire out on ones TT or 5er, unless signs of cracking in the rubber or abnormal wear on the tire appear first.

[Me_Again]

If appears that steel ply carcass tires like the G614, XPS RIB, R250, Sailon and the commercial 17.5" tires will age out way before the tread wears out. I removed a set of ribs at 6.5 years of service and 40k+ miles because one of them was actually 8.5 years for manufactured date and showing minor cracks. The other three on the ground were 7.5 years old. So I learn to watch date codes!!! These tires still had about 65 percent tread left, and I would have ran them longer if that one had not started cracking.

That brings us to value over time. If these higher cost tires will live two to three times longer than a cheap tire, then for many they are a much better investment. I like that fact that I can get in my truck and tow the trailer to Arizona 1650 miles in 3.5 days and not worry about tire failures! That to me is worth every extra dollar for installing the best tire available verses a cheap product that really has no place on a heavy and tall trailer.

As a side note I replaced the Michelin's on my wife Buick Rainier the other day. They were also most 10 years old. No cracking and around 40K+ miles. Vehicle is always garaged and has an easy life, winter driving is on another set of studded snow tires and rims. I had a 1987 Accord that ran the OEM Michilen's for 11 years. Then had become hard and slippery on web pavement. If I put anything on a sidewall wall of a tire it is Aerospace 303.

Would I run 10 years on trailer tires? No, as they run "loaded" basically all the time. 6-8 years depending on condition is however doable with the right tires.

This brings us to the GY G614's four year warranty period, which one has to be mindful of! Not only is this an expensive tire, it has a pretty short warranty period. Michelin's warranty is 6 years.

Chris

[sk734]

JEBar wrote:

mobilcastle wrote:
I have about 25,000 miles on my Sailons and I hope to get 40,000 miles plus before I have to change them.

that is interesting .... do you replace your camper tires based on years of use or tread wear out .... I haven't kept exact records but do know that one of the sets of G614's we used on our current camper had well over 70,000 miles on them during the 5 years we kept them on the camper .... we've never come close to having to replace camper tires due to tread wear out

Jim

Length of time unless I can see a problem with sidewall tread separation, etc

[JEBar]

mobilcastle wrote:
I have about 25,000 miles on my Sailons and I hope to get 40,000 miles plus before I have to change them.

that is interesting .... do you replace your camper tires based on years of use or tread wear out .... I haven't kept exact records but do know that one of the sets of G614's we used on our current camper had well over 70,000 miles on them during the 5 years we kept them on the camper .... we've never come close to having to replace camper tires due to tread wear out

Jim

[sk734]

I have about 25,000 miles on my Sailons and I hope to get 40,000 miles plus before I have to change them. These tires hold air over winter better than any tire I have ever owned. The spare has never been on. They look like new and I have not seen even any hairline cracks around the bead-I wish I could say that about the Michelins that are on my new truck with only 13,000 miles on them. I think Good year is a good company but I also feel they have a problem with this particular tire. I also feel they are way over charging for this tire. Maybe they have decided it is cheaper to repair some rigs rather than face a class action suit like Firestone had years ago on their 500's. I don't want my rig sitting in a repair shop if I can avoid it. I am pro American-my son serves as a Navy Chief as I sit here and type this. I don't question that anyone here is pro American-in fact I don't think it should be a part of this conversation. as I stated above if you like Goodyear then run them.

[NC_Hauler]

Jim, agree 100% with your post...I've had one failure with a G614 tire, threw the tread, never lost air pressure and Goodyear paid for 4 new tires, (tires date of manufacture was 0606 that lost it's tread back in 2010)...BUT, my story may be a tad different due to the fact we found a weak spring pack over the side where the tread peeled off, only about an 1" of clearance over that tire...Goodyear pointed it out to me, BUT still put four new tires on my 5er....For that, I DO feel the same way you do.....The jury is still out on how the Sailun tires will perform and last...BUT, I WILL keep an pay attention to reports on them from this and other forums...They are a quality tire or they wouldn't have obtained some of the certifications they've earned in their manufacturing process and they're priced to compete with that segment of the rv tire market....WHEN I have to replace tires, I will look at the track record of the Sailun at that time, compare prices between the two, and make my call then.

GY has taken care of the G614 tire owner when a tire has failed, and it appears they don't question how or why the tire failed, they just "take care of it", and that DOES speak volumes in their favor. BUT, it would be nice if one owned an rv tire for the length of time that it is recommended to keep them before replacement, for it to never fail, leave you stranded on the side of the road, possibly cause damage to one's rv and the time lost spent getting "back on the road"......shouldn't happen at al...thus the reason, I'll go with customer service and QUALITY produced tires, (with Quality accreditation to prove it)..so, when I'm due to replace my tires, first choice will be GY G614, but if reports are still good on the Sailun, no failures on 7,000# axles, and price competitive with GY, I very well may purchase the Sailun tire, if it's proven itself out.

Jim