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Very Disappointed with New Keystone Alpine

Mike_Stanbro
Explorer II
Explorer II
We just purchased a 2018 Alpine 3400RS. We custom ordered it as we wanted full body paint, a generator, and dual-pane windows. I took delivery two weeks ago.

This is my fifth RV so I am no stranger to the issues one encounters with a new RV. Unfortunately this one has a remarkable number of problems and I am very disappointed with the quantity of them and the seriousness of a few:

1) The TPO roof membrane has numerous sharp objects under it that will eventually protrude through it (staples, screws, wood chips, etc.). It appears that the roof was not cleaned before the membrane was stretched over the decking material. I towed the trailer to the Keystone factor in Indiana (2000 miles) and showed the roof to the Customer Support Manager. I was told Keystone will do nothing about it. If it leaks within the warranty period, they will evaluate it then. Which means what -- patches where the objects poke through? - UGH! I wanted them to install a new roof at the factory. After being told by the Customer Support Manager that this was considered "acceptable build quality" I was furious. Had I known this was their position, I would not have taken delivery of the trailer.

I get up on my RV roof a least once a year to clean and put down UV inhibitor. I also plan to install solar panels and will need to clean them off periodically to maintain peak performance. It will be difficult if not impossible to walk on the roof without stepping on an area where one of those sharp objects is poking upwards. It will be no time before holes form. To be blunt, I'm pissed.

2) The power for the emergency breakaway circuit was wired without a fuse or circuit breaker and the hot wire of the breakaway switch was installed such that it chafed between the front cap and the pin box. It eventually shorted to the pin box which is chassis ground. That wire got extremely hot and melted all of the insulation on that wire, melted the split-loom tubing it was routed in, and melted against the other wires in the loom. It was a #16 wire, wired directly from the battery to the hot side of the breakaway switch. The brake wires on the switched side of the switch are #12 and there are two of them. The current draw on that circuit is over 15A. A #16 wire is too small for that current and that it was wired with no over-current protection is unbelievable. Why it did not burn up all the wires in that loom, or the entire trailer when it shorted to the chassis is a mystery. Built to RVIA standards? I think not.

3) A hydraulic line on the right-front jack split and is leaking fluid.

4) The light fixture over the kitchen island lost pieces of its hardware due to vibration and the pieces got under the driver-side slide during transit from the factory to the dealer. When the slide went out, the pieces trapped under the slide damaged the vinyl flooring. Not sure how that is going to get fixed as it is sheet material. A whole new floor? Again, the Customer Support Manager made it clear that it would not be done at the factory. How well is that going to turn out if done by a dealer?

5) The bathroom shower has a chip in the gel coat on the floor so that black color from the underlying fiberglass is showing. I don't know if a workman dropped a tool on it or if it is a manufacturing defect. Either way, I was allowed to leave the factory with the chip in it. QA? I am also unsure how that is going to get fixed.

6) One of the ceiling fan blades broke off on the trip home from the Keystone factory, apparently due to road shock. Is that going to be an on-going problem?

7) The rear screws of the drawer slides that support the kitchen drawers were only 3/8" long and screwed into soft pine. They pulled out of the pine and the drawers were dangling from just the front screws when I opened them.

๐Ÿ˜Ž The audio cable that runs from the living room TV to the stereo head unit was wired such that audio out from the TV was plugged into the audio out of the head unit (should have gone to audio in). Granted, a minor issue, but it took me a long time to figure out what was wrong and required that I pull the head unit out of the cabinet to trace the wiring.

9) The passenger-side slide is leaving large patches, several feet long, of black marks on the vinyl floor that I scrub away only to have reappear the next time the trailer goes down the road. It seems there is black material on the underside of the slide's leading edge that is rubbing off on the floor due to vibration during travel.

In summary, this unit is NOT up to the quality I expected from Keystone. That they did such a poor job on the roof is infuriating. I purchased this Alpine due to the positive things I read about the Alpine brand and Keystone products. To say that I am disappointed is an understatement.

The fact that Keystone considers the issues with the roof "acceptable build quality" should be a warning to potential buyers.
Mike Stanbro
Portland, OR
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Ralph_Cramden
Explorer II
Explorer II
classic 31 wrote:
Really do you think they are going to fix everything under the warrantee befor you even purchase it .you might get them to agree to fix certain things befor you accept delivery.but that will be after you buy it.


Absolutely. We had an ordered Rockwood delivered to the dealer with over $5Ks worth of factory defects found before purchase. Those were Forest Rivers numbers as per the approved warranty authorizations to the dealer, of which I still have a stack of copies of somewhere. Who was to know how long that process would of taken as after 6 weeks not one required part had shipped to the dealer, and I pulled the plug on the whole deal. I took another chance and had the dealer order another same brand and floorplan unit, which was built 500% better than the first, and took 7 weeks to the day to have delivered. The dealer was still waiting on parts for the first. They patched that POS together and sold it.I happened to be camped beside the poor sucker who purchased it the following year, and did not have the heart to tell him the story, but could still notice the out of square ward slide from 75' away.

The first one (bad) was built on a Wednesday, the second (great) was built on a Friday. So much for that theory.

We also had two Thor units prior which were about as problem free as you'll ever get, an Aerolite and a Keystone.

The moral of the story is you had better look at any of them on a single unit basis no matter who the holding company is, what day they were built, or what brand.

One thing for certain though, Keystone RV will not do one single thing without a dealers involvement, and if you happen to get them to do something special, like let you return to the factory, consider yourself lucky and one of the elite few. It's a corporate policy and they abide by it religously. On the other hand Forest River (Rockwood division) just sent me new fender skirts direct and all it took was an email and a picture. 14 months beyond the original one year warranty and 2 months beyond expiration the optional 2nd year warranty, which they no longer offer.
Too many geezers, self appointed moderators, experts, and disappearing posts for me. Enjoy. How many times can the same thing be rehashed over and over?

ACZL
Explorer
Explorer
Just because Thor owns Keystone like Forest River owns Cedar Creek doesn't mean that Thor or FR is the root of all problems. Many folks have owned brands owned by both parent companies and have good/bad relationship. Most divisions as I believe them to be, are independent and can do pretty much what they want. We are on our 2nd RV. 1st one was a '06 Cedar Creek Silverback that we owned for 12 years w/o a problem and those that we had, CC took care of them and then some. Last year we bought a Heartland Big Country and from what I've learned, years back when smaller, HL was over the top customer service. Well we developed a problem w/ 2 slides to which HL took care of, no questions asked. Buying the coach out of state, We went over it quite throughly before we signed any paperwork on day of pick up. Didn't find anything wrong. So as the case for OP, this is a Keystone issue and if not right, then a lawyer should be given a call to.
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Hammerboy
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"#OUCH ! ! ! Below the belt Chris.... Ford trucks are NOTHING like Keystone RVโ€™s... I would never own a Keystone MADE product..."

Not to mention he drives a Dodge er I mean Ram :B
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transamz9
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ford truck guy wrote:
Me Again wrote:
It can be that bad. Like Ford trucks, people repeatedly by Montana 5th wheels time after time.



#OUCH ! ! ! Below the belt Chris.... Ford trucks are NOTHING like Keystone RVโ€™s... I would never own a Keystone MADE product...


Their customer service is real close to Keystone's.
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Me Again wrote:
It can be that bad. Like Ford trucks, people repeatedly by Montana 5th wheels time after time.



#OUCH ! ! ! Below the belt Chris.... Ford trucks are NOTHING like Keystone RVโ€™s... I would never own a Keystone MADE product...
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phillyg
Explorer II
Explorer II
I had a ton of problems with a Forest River product. They agreed to take it back to the factory for repair. Instead, I bought a Montana, and had 13 problems on PDI, of which 10 were fixed at the dealership BEFORE I agreed to accept it with a written agreement to fix the last three things when they could get the parts, and they did. We were ready to walk if they didn't agree.

I have to say FR was ready to take responsibility. I'm totally unimpressed with Thor's position that the dealership will fix everything. They never took responsibility for anything and put it all on the dealership.
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colliehauler
Explorer III
Explorer III
Another person in the toy hauler forum is having major issues with his new Keystone TH.

Mike_LeClair
Explorer
Explorer
WOW! That is just so, so sad! What a commentary on the build quality standards that are in place at Thor/Keystone.

SIGH!

Mike
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Me_Again
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It can be that bad. Like Ford trucks, people repeatedly by Montana 5th wheels time after time.
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Mike_Stanbro
Explorer II
Explorer II
newman fulltimer wrote:
Why did you notcatch this or some of this in your pdi and not accept the trailer?

The transport from the factory to the dealer was done in cold weather. When I took delivery of the unit it was just starting to warm up. The debris under the roof did not appear until it sat in the hot sun for a few days and the roof membrane relaxed enough to conform to the many objects under it. In other words, I did not see it until after I signed for the trailer.

I think the scuffed vinyl floor occurred after I made the slides go in and out a few times during my travels. I only found the piece of light fixture hardware under the slide after the scuff became obvious and I got down and looked with a flashlight.

The burned wire and much of the other stuff was found during my PDI. The broken ceiling fan blade and split hydraulic hose happened on my trip home from the factory to talk to Keystone about my disappointment with the roof.

Here is something I consider interesting -- I just read this in the "Keystone RV Company Owners Manual" dated 4/1/2017 under the subtitle Roof on page 79:

Because of the manufacturing process, air pickets and/or visible spots may be seen in the roof material. These visible spots can be caused by debris (wood, staples, screws, etc.) that are between the roof material and decking or by imperfections occurring during the roof material manufacture. In most cases, these are considered cosmetic in nature and seldom require any corrective action.

Based on the above, I infer that leaving debris on the decking before laying down the TPO membrane is considered standard manufacturing practice by Keystone. To me, that says a lot about their concern for quality versus the time (cost) to manufacture the unit.
Mike Stanbro
Portland, OR

midnightsadie
Explorer II
Explorer II
we,ve said it before there is NO quality control in the rv world, they make junk and we buy it.

donn0128
Explorer II
Explorer II
Actually, one word, THOR .
Thor owns Keystone. This seems to be typical of a lot of Thor products. Push it out quality be d@**รท#

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Keystone's response to the buyer speaks volumes. What say you, Thor apologists?

Charlie_D_
Explorer
Explorer
classic 31 wrote:
Really do you think they are going to fix everything under the warrantee befor you even purchase it .you might get them to agree to fix certain things befor you accept delivery.but that will be after you buy it.


I would expect that all issues be repaired BEFORE buying. Why would a buyer want to make repeated trips, at his expense, back to a dealer to make repairs AFTER purchase? We hear lot's of complaints about dealers on this forum and how long it takes to get any repairs made after purchase.

The OP posted what the factory said about the issues. He is now left alone to deal with them and repairs before purchase would have satisfied him. Refusing to buy before repairs would have lit a fire under the dealer.
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janstey58
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If they really want to sell their product, that is one way to ensure you didn't buy a lemon.
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