Firearms in RV

[jefffoxsr]

In Michigan and other states is a person allowed to keep a shotgun or revolver in an RV without a concealed carry permit?

Thanks.

[noe-place]

If you ever break down in the middle of a dark, moonless night on a lonely mountain road, the reassurance of a handy firearm would be most helpful. While I prefer not to say if I am or not, let's just say we would not be defenseless should the unthinkable suddenly become reality. Self preservation is written into the Declaration of Independence after all.

[holstein13]

Highway 4x4 wrote:
If no one ever sees it, is there one in there? When are you asked if there is a gun in your RV? How often do you plan on using it? Or better yet, how often have you used one?

When I went to visit the National Naval Aviation Museum a month ago, the guards at the road entrance asked us if we had weapons. We weren't carrying because we have two children in the MH with us. I always wondered if they would have let us in had I told them yes.

[Thunder_Mountai]

MitchF150 wrote:
It is amazing how sensitive this whole gun thing is these days.. I grew up around guns and knew how to respect them from a very young age (5)...

Anyway, it's not that way now, so I do understand that.. 🙂

It's just ashame how society has changed and common sense has "left the room".. 😉

Mitch

I totally agree with you. I was a city kid in Dallas in the '50s but grew up around guns used for hunting. I got my first gun at about 8. When I was around 12 I got a gun cabinet for my birthday. There was an old 32-20 Colt pistol, a couple of shotguns including mine and a couple of deer rifles in it. I was in charge of the key and kept it in a hiding place in my room.

One of the first things I was taught was never point a gun at anything you don't intend to kill. In the 1980s, I interviewed for a police job. I totally blew the interview except when I used that line. Everybody nodded.

I taught my girlfriend, now my wife of 41 years, to shoot and respect firearms. We quit shooting and hunting for 30 years. Then we decide it would be smart to consider personal protection. We both have CC permits. I carry in situations where I think I need to.

I just can't understand the culture where idiots carry guns and have no respect for life. They seem to shoot people for sport. Sad comment on our society. Unfortunately, we can't put the Jeanie back in the bottle.

[Wadcutter]

mdamerell wrote:

While I over simplified the statement, the Interstate is normally considered the direct route between states for transportation. Ask any trucker and they will tell you the rules are different on an And I know all about truckers rules. I was one of the first 2 Troopers in IL in 1983 to be certified to enforce the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Rules. In IL only the ISP is authorized to enforce FMCS laws. To be certified to enforce the FMCS is an additional Interstate vs any other road. The states enforce the rules the Feds establish on the Interstate but the Feds sent the rules.

No you didn't 'over simplified'. You gave incorrect information. To be certified in FMCS enforcement requires specialized 6 weeks of training and testing. I also taught the law, was recognized by the feds and state courts as an expert in FMCS law. Just for your edification, FMCS laws once adopted by the state are enforceable anywhere in the state on any roadway, not just the interstate. The feds don't enforce anything on any interstate. There are no feds out patrolling traffic enforcement just on interstates. Doesn't happen in IL or IN or any other state.
What you wrote is still incorrect. The feds do NOT set the rules on the interstates. Does not happen that way. Don't know where you got your information but it is totally incorrect. If you knew anything about the law and thought about what you wrote then you would realize your assertion makes absolutely no sense.
And none of that has anything to do with transporting a firearm. You're so far off base that you try covering your stuff with trucker info which you didn't get that right either.

mdamerell wrote:

The two Flyers from IL I posted are both still posted on the IL DNR and IL State police websites. Look at the link when you open the pdf file. Perhaps the state needs to update what they post..

You found those on the internet. You did not find those on the ISP and DNR websites. You did a poor job of doing a websearch and then posted the first thing you found and then acted as if you knew what you were talking about. You don't. You did NOT find those on the current ISP nor DNR websites. If you know anything about the internet once something is posted it remains. But neither are on the current ISP nor DNR websites. Had you actually gone to the ISP and/or DNR websites you would have gotten the up to date info.

This is part of the issue, when states can't even post current information. Good luck in your research, I wish you success.

Since you apparently are unable to do an adequate job of searching current websites here's the link to the ISP website. ISP
Look around on the ISP website. Please point to where the current website has any of those flyers you posted. I'll help you out since you've shown you can't find even the website. On the left side of the screen you'll see a drop down titled "Firearms". Go ahead and click on it. Then provide the link that you claim is on the website for those flyers. You won't find those flyers because they're long out of date and haven't been linked to the ISP website in nearly 10 years.
No need to try to justify your actions. You got it wrong and didn't know where to find the right info. Don't blame it on what you claim a state can't get current info. The ISP and DNR does. You are just unable to know it.
You're showing a prime example why laymen should quick giving legal advice. They don't know where to look or research.

[Lauren]

Tis far easier to gain forgiveness than permission.

I have traveled thru about 20 states with "Cal" (my .40 cal handgun) with me in the truck or 5er. It is cased, unloaded but with two full clips cased right with it....one clip hp and one clip standard.

I have a CCW (although don't need it at all in AZ where I live) only to show some sort of responsibility if I get stopped and asked it I have a weapon in the vehicle; to which I will ALWAYS answer yes.

[mdamerell]

Wadcutter wrote:

mdamerell wrote:

Federal rules apply while on the intestate system but once you stop for fuel, eat, whatever the local laws kick into effect.

Being on an interstate highway system has nothing what so ever to do with anything. You are bound by the state and local laws regardless of the type of roadway, including interstates.
The only federal law that applies, and it applies regardless of the type of roadway, is what is commonly known as the Firearms Owner's Protection Act (FOPA). What it says is if a person can legally possess a firearm from where they start (generally your home) and can legally possess a firearm at your destination then you can legally transport the firearm between those 2 locations as long as the firearm is unloaded, in a case, and not accessible to the occupants. The courts have ruled numerous times on FOPA. The court rulings have concluded the distance between start and finish has to be as direct as reasonably possible and no extended stops in between. Such as if you're traveling from VA to MN a direct route does not include going thru AZ. A reasonable stop enroute does not mean 2 weeks in OH. OH would them become a destination.
The federal law is T18 USC S926A. You can be read at FOPA
You can do a search for various court rulings but only accept those published by the Library of Congress or Cornell Law, not some fly by night "internet expert".

MitchF150 wrote:

TOMMY47 wrote:
Mitch--You might---If it in a locked gun box away from the driver's reach--unloaded magazine stored separately--ammunition stored in a separate place from the gun and magazine.

Thanks Tommy. I know my CWP has no meaning in IL, so I would treat the gun accordingly.. It would be in the TT, locked away and unloaded and ammo would not be near it.. 🙂
Mitch

The info mitchF150 posted is 1) incorrect and 2) outdated by a year. The first flyer hasn't been printed for close to 10 year. The 2nd flyer hasn't been printed in over 15 years. Both are way outdated. That's the danger of someone who doesn't know doing an internet search then thinking they know the law.
If you have a CWP (CCW license) then when traveling thru IL you can legally possess your loaded CWP firearm in your vehicle. If you leave your vehicle then your firearm must be secured in your vehicle.
IL statutes have never required a firearm to be in a locked case, away from the driver, or ammo to be locked and separate. That's never been the law in IL. If you don't have a CCW license from your home state then to legally transport a firearm thru IL the firearm has to be unloaded and in a case. Nothing in the statute or court rulings has said the case has to be locked. Ammo can be in the same case as the firearm but nothing says ammo has to be in any case. Magazines can be loaded and in the same case as the firearm but a loaded magazine cannot be inserted in the firearm. An empty magazine can be in the firearm.
If you want to read IL's statute concerning an out of state CCW licensee carrying thru IL then you can find the info at 430 ILCS 66/40. If you're still curious about IL's other firearms laws then you can find those in 720 ILCS 24-1.

While I over simplified the statement, the Interstate is normally considered the direct route between states for transportation. Ask any trucker and they will tell you the rules are different on an Interstate vs any other road. The states enforce the rules the Feds establish on the Interstate but the Feds sent the rules.

The two Flyers from IL I posted are both still posted on the IL DNR and IL State police websites. Look at the link when you open the pdf file. Perhaps the state needs to update what they post.

This is part of the issue, when states can't even post current information. Good luck in your research, I wish you success.

[doxiemom11]

We have hunting rifles with us. They are in their cases transported in one of the bays. The ammunition is in another bay. Neither is accessible to the occupants of our motorhome. Where we are, they are. Even in parks that prohibit firearms. How would they ever know if we don't tell them.

[jefffoxsr]

Thanks for the good links guys.

[MitchF150]

Sorry Jeff... These kind of posts get off the original question really quick and rarely last very long before they get closed or deleted all together..

MItch

[down_home]

Protect from what?
I've suddently found out I'm old and weaker. I can no longer count on disarming or maiming any assailant that enters the 25 ft area around, me with just my hands and body.
I've survived an attempted robbery and faced down some situations.
We have had our home invaded and I couldn't reach my new weapon becaause it was too far under the bed.
Macho man doesn't need a weapon until he does. I'll never tell someone they don't need a weapon. Things changing unfortuantely and I can't afford a LEO on the payroll to be by our side.
I hope I never need one again.
having one and knowing how and when to use it means you may never have to use it.
As far as Laws I can do nothing about them. Life and liberty come first.

[edbehnke]

stay with jeff's issue. http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/michigan.pdf

read page 9

[jefffoxsr]

Thanks for the great replys guys. I appreciate them.

[rooney77]

bigred1cav wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Bottom line do what you want. I will always be "ready" to protect my family. If it means going to jail later so be it!

Protect your family from what? I am an old cop do not carry a weapon am not afraid of some unknown terror. I make it a habit not to park my MH in the inner city or at a drug dealers location.

Protect yourself how you see fit but don't undermine my right to do so in a manner I see fit.

Protection isn't always from other humans. Good luck dealing with that bear or moose while you're unarmed.

[bigred1cav]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Bottom line do what you want. I will always be "ready" to protect my family. If it means going to jail later so be it!

Protect your family from what? I am an old cop do not carry a weapon am not afraid of some unknown terror. I make it a habit not to park my MH in the inner city or at a drug dealers location.

[bigred1cav]

Concealed carry is law regrading a weapon concealed on your body not in an RV. If want to carry a firearm be sure to pull it out and point it at the cop to let him know you are exercising your 2nd A right to be stupid.