How will my truck handle these two 5th wheels?

[dzirkelb]

2014 F 250 Diesel, crew cab.

I'm looking at the following 5th wheels:

http://kz-rv.com/stoneridge/39BH.html

http://www.heartlandrvs.com/index.php?p=35&c=fifthwheels&sc=SV&i=SV+38QBS&view=floorplans&fcmd=showfplan#showgallery

Both have the dry weight well within my trucks' limits, but the GVWR on both are 15,500, and the truck is listed at 15k. Anything I should be concerned with? Will my truck pull these ok, or not at all? I do plan to camp in the mountains on occasion, like every other year or so, and plan on going on some long trips

[APT]

APT wrote:
Bummer. If you choose to do go 5er route: You'll be 1000-1500 pounds over GVWR with 2k-ish dry 5er. You'll be close on rear axle rating. You will want to increase rear suspension spring rate (air bags, overload springs, timbrens, etc).

OK, hashed enough. But lots of people this. Over GVWR, near GAWR and tire load on the rear. They mostly seem happy!

[fla-gypsy]

dzirkelb wrote:
The one I'm looking at now is as follows:

UVW: 11980
Dry Hitch Weight: 2165
Dry Axle Weight: 9805
Gross NCC: 4195
Net NCC: 3409

And you will still exceed your payload rating significantly.

[lbrjet]

Just saw your other post and almost everyone recommended the F350 because of the extra payload. You will be overloaded with any of the fifth wheels you are looking at. Go smaller or be overloaded, your choice.

[goducks10]

Just an FYI here, but I have a payload rating of 2176lbs. My dry pin is 1385lbs. All loaded up I'm at 9000lbs on the 5'er. My pin randomly weighs in around 17-1800lbs. That puts my GVW total at 9800lbs. My RAWR is only 6000lbs (tire limited). My RAW is 4900lbs when hitched up. It's just the wife and I and we carry very little in the truck. If we do it's maybe 150lbs of firewood or two full 7 gal water jugs. We carry about 1500lbs+/- in the 5'er.
If I go buy the RAWR then I have an extra 500lbs for pin to be under the RAWR with a small cushion. But that puts me over the GVW by 700lbs. I'm still way under the tow rating and GCVWR.
If you're looking at 5'ers with UVW's of 119280lbs or 12,000lbs for figuring then figure 1000-1500lbs if stuff (average of 1250lbs) so 13,250lbs loaded. That puts you pin at 2700lbs (@20%)
That's 616lbs over GVW not including you and the wife and whatever else.
So add 300lbs for the two of you, now you have 3000lbs of payload. 916lbs over payload.
IMO 11,000lbs or less loaded is a good weight to keep payload within reason. You won't be able to use the payload rating of the truck and get anything very heavy. Only way you can make it work for something other than a lite version 5'er is to use the RAWR
The problem with 3/4 tons diesels is the low payload.

[APT]

Bummer. If you choose to do go 5er route: You'll be 1000-1500 pounds over GVWR with 2k-ish dry 5er. You'll be close on rear axle rating. You will want to increase rear suspension spring rate (air bags, overload springs, timbrens, etc).

[dzirkelb]

I already have the truck

[APT]

My opinion is to shop 5er with dry pin weight 1000 pounds under payload. I think very few people will recommend a dry hitch weight that is already higher than payload.

Do you already have the truck? If not, get the SRW 350. If so, focus on TT over 5er.

Diesel 3/4 ton has a lot of power to pull 15k pounds. Not a lot of suspension to support 2k+ of pin weight.

[dzirkelb]

The one I'm looking at now is as follows:

UVW: 11980
Dry Hitch Weight: 2165
Dry Axle Weight: 9805
Gross NCC: 4195
Net NCC: 3409

[MFL]

Dave, the long and short of it is, that a 10,000# loaded wt FW, will have a hitch weight around 2,000#s. When you add the hitch 200#=2,200, plus gear, family, anything in the truck, you will be well past sticker payload of 2,084#s.

No one should say, don't worry about it! Many people disregard this safety number, and some are not even aware of it. You will have to make your own decision. Many just choose to follow the RAWR, when towing a FW.

The good news, with much of your used up GVWR being the heavy diesel engine, it will be on the front axle. You should weigh the truck ready to camp, to determine how much is left on the rear axle. No one should be towing over the axle ratings!

Jerry

[dzirkelb]

APT wrote:

APT wrote:

dzirkelb wrote:

Hitch Weight 2,185 lbs

Dry Hitch Weight* 2,290

Those might put you over GVWR before the 200 pound receiver and whomever will sit in the cab.

The Ford web site list max payloads, lowest trim level/equipment and the gas engine. No need to estimate. Ford (and every OEM) is required to provide the payload with a full tank of fuel on every vehicle after 2006. As mentioned, look for a sticker on the driver's door or door jam that looks like this:

I have looked at several 2010+ 4wd crew cab diesel 3/4 ton trucks tire and loading stickers. I have seen as low as 1560 pounds. Most Fords and GMs are in the 2250 pound range.

My tire sticker says 2084 lbs, and the rear gawr is 6100.

i've found a line of 5th wheels which give same benefits, but much lighter, Open Range, they are roughly the same, but max out at 12-13k loaded.

[APT]

APT wrote:

dzirkelb wrote:

Hitch Weight 2,185 lbs

Dry Hitch Weight* 2,290

Those might put you over GVWR before the 200 pound receiver and whomever will sit in the cab.

The Ford web site list max payloads, lowest trim level/equipment and the gas engine. No need to estimate. Ford (and every OEM) is required to provide the payload with a full tank of fuel on every vehicle after 2006. As mentioned, look for a sticker on the driver's door or door jam that looks like this:

I have looked at several 2010+ 4wd crew cab diesel 3/4 ton trucks tire and loading stickers. I have seen as low as 1560 pounds. Most Fords and GMs are in the 2250 pound range.

[tonystx]

I don't understand why I keep seeing comments saying you need a dually to pull a 15,500 gvw trailer. That's the gross on my trailer. I have a SRW Chevy 3500. Loaded ready to camp I'm 900 under my RAWR and 500 under the GVWR. Pulls fine even with a strong crosswind.

[JIMNLIN]

dzirkelb wrote:
That's the info I was looking for guys, thanks. I'll try to get something in the range of 13k gvwr, as I know how that tows with my truck currently.

I have never towed anything near the max of the specs so I didnt' know what to expect, besides on the farm when we overload everything all the time (and drive 10 miles at 40 mph), thanks for the feedback.

Wise choice.
Your '14 F250 can pull the same weight trailer as the one ton SRW BUT due to the 6200 RAWR (tires/wheels and rear springs) on the F250 your limited in how much weight it can carry.

The F350 SRW has the higher 7000 RAWR for more load carrying capacity.

I would stick with a trailer with a 2500-2700 lb "wet" weight pin weight and not go over the 6200 RAWR.

[bucky]

The tires on a SRW truck will be your weak point. BUT BUT BUT both of those trailers are in long bed dually territory. Or some very expensive tires on a 350/3500 SRW.