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norfla71
Explorer
Explorer
Long story short wife and I are researching a future purchase, and started looking at "full time" campers, after having owned aluminum Starcraft and Salem products that fell apart after a couple of years. We looked at brands everyone should know, Redwood, Landmark, Solitude and Pinnacle, to name a few, to avoid those same issues. Keep in mind these are my observations and opinions. Use them as a tool, but don't take anything here as definitive.

They all looked nice inside; the common theme seems to be bling over substance. Residential fittings, upgraded carpet, nice floor plans. However, after looking for hours, the bling becomes distracting, and they all start to blend together. I took a step back and started noticing the important details.

Price does not dictate quality. All were either at or approaching 6 figures. Keep in mind these are brand new units and considered "full time".
One of the Landmarks had a complete wall cover separating from the wall in the kitchen; bottom corner, about 2 feet and climbing. Was not properly stapled. Another had rust covering most of the frame (and was starting to penetrate the layers as evidenced by blistering and flaking). A Solitude had a cabinet door that flexed so much it broke the staples at the bottom edge. The Redwood had a musty smell, like there was an old leak. The Pinnacle had a bathroom door handle not installed; it was sitting on the bed. Most of them had cheap feeling "wood" trim that looked as if it would start peeling like my Salem did. Even the underbelly coverings we low quality; coated cardboard that most only attached with a few screws directly to the frame. At least the Solitude used strapping to spread out the stress. I've looked at much cheaper campers with better underbelly materials. I can't recall which, but one of them also had a cheap plastic faucet in the kitchen rather than the expected true residential unit.

From my online research, there are a few true "full time" campers being made; Spacecraft, DRV, Augusta, Renegade, New Horizon and others I've forgotten. From my research you can get into one of these new for not much more than the volume models. Spacecraft, for example, has units starting well below most of those, and you can customize, something not available with dealer stock brands. And the used market attests to the quality; I find a lot of the custom brands on the used market for substantially more than a comparable volume brand.

For transparency, we cannot afford those luxo liners, and are looking at smaller and lighter. We do not plan on full timing, but need something for extended stay that will also allow us full access to state parks and other areas where monster coaches won't fit. We wanted to know if spending more actually gets you better built; the answer is, sadly, no, just more expensive repairs. Our current choices are limited to about 25' (23 or less would be better) with minimal to no carpet, minimal or no slides, simple but comfortable floor plan, ease of repair and maintenance and low out the door cost (willing to spend more for better quality and durability).

Airstream is out; I saw a new $50k Bambi with a bunch of dents and creases on the curb side rear 1/4 and know, from experience, that will need replacement rather than repair; it's ugly and expensive to fix. Every Airstream I've seen on the road has some sort of damage. And we don't like any of the floorplans.

With that criteria current contenders are:

Keystone Bullet Crossfire 1800RB
Lance 2285 or 2295
Bigfoot 25B25RQ
Oliver Legacy Elite II standard


We know all trailers have potential issues, and Keystone is not highly rated in that area. However, if we're going to be stuck with potential issues, anyway, we're looking to spend as little as possible upfront. We like that floorplan and, with it being a basic box design, repairs and maintenance will be relatively simple. I plan on having a "lifetime" roof process done at some point, which will eliminate a large percentage of complaints.
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Jim-Linda
Explorer II
Explorer II
FWIW, we are in a 1998 NuWa Champagne that we ordered new. Several changes were made to our "wants". We do maintain, you might say anal, but it is still in very good condition. Oh, we are fulltime since 1996. Now we have replaced/repaired several items over time, AC's, WH, installed household fridge, CRT TV's, suspension (Mor/Ryde IS), converter-charger, sofa... you get the picture.

If you start with a quality unit, take care of it, they will last quite a while.

Jim

mds1
Explorer
Explorer
Norfla71,

We are planning to go full time and taking five years to prepare. For the last two years I've been watching differenct trailer brands. One of the best pieces of advice I received was to pay attention to service after the sale. To that end, I'm following several blogs where folks travel in fifth wheel trailers I'd consider as a full time unit. I've also joined a couple owners forums to track issues.

And of course service after the sale should include the company not going out of business. It also seems brands concentrate their "quality" in different areas of construction which includes such details as drawer construction. In other words they might slack off in drawer construction but improve in another area. It's a give and take decision based on what we think is important. For example is Augusta RV. They are currently high on our list but we would most likely have to buy a two year old unit to fit our budget. Augusta is a newer company. So was Lifestyles Luxury RV who many judged as a quality trailer. They went out of business in short order. Will Augusta do the same? Augusta uses hung wall construction vs laminated. Which is better? That's a personal decision although most are using laminated construction. To add complication to the decision other well known trailers use hung construction such as Cedar Creek and DRV.

Personally, I'm concentrating on getting a floor plan we love which may dictate the length. And something in our budget backed by a company known for customer service. We also want the option to option -in better construction such as disc brakes and upgraded tires.

Some buy the trailer with all the construction options they want up front. Some buy a used or new unit and drag it around the country having it upgraded to get there.


Still searching but hope to get there. Good luck in your search.
Mark from Missouri

http://www.ourfutureinanrv.wordpress.com.

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korbe
Explorer
Explorer
We are planning on spending much more time on the road and in our rig once I am able to retire. But I have never considered that I will upgrade to a better "quality" rig. I have come to realize that an RV is built for part time use and lite weight for pulling down the road. I get a kick out of the folks that think they can find a rig that was built with the same quality as our homes. Yes, some rigs are built better than others. But is it worth the extra cost?
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westend
Explorer
Explorer
I don't know that a house superstructure engineered for occasional vacation use and bolted onto a steel frame to be towed on the highway ever won any innovative product awards. It is very much the nature-of-the-beast that they tend to leak or come apart.
A great deal of durability can be had by maintaining that flimsy structure. Painting the undercarraige or being vigilant about roof leaks are just two things that add considerable longevity. Of course, there is always the user that trades in as soon as a drawer handle loosens.
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coolmom42
Explorer II
Explorer II
I've seen the Olivers at their factory, and they are top-shelf. They are also top-price. They are set up for boondocking & 4 season use. If that's what you are interested in, they are worth it.

Lance also has a very good reputation.
Single empty-nester in Middle TN, sometimes with a friend or grandchild on board

qtla9111
Nomad
Nomad
The rv industry is highly unregulated. I would trade bling, bells and whistles for a rig that didn't leak and lasted for a few years. For what we pay, be it 30K or some ridiculous price of 500K quality shouldn't be built into the price. It should be the same for everyone.

People talk a lot about buying American. Where's the beef?
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donn0128
Explorer II
Explorer II
Sooo, you start out looking at units in the 100K range and now your down to the 30K range! Whats the point? All RVs except a select few are built pretty much the same usingm the exact same materials from the same suppliers.
Since your looking at Lance, you might as well look at Northwood Products. Nash, Arctic Fox have always been highly rated for quality and durability.