USA Urban Stays Versus Canada

[jefferyofsky]

As a Canadian in a law where we have no hand guns and things of this nature, I tend to see the reports of gun violence in the USA, which I am sure are like anything abnormal.

I have been living in my camper full time for about a year, and travelling and sleeping in my vehicle in communities, even urban camping in tents as I travel behind bushes and things like this, but not gone stateside from Canada.

I tend to just do the Walmart thing or roadside turn outs, sometimes on the street etc., I find that here if a person goes too far out in a national part for example you tend to attract forestry services, and it is just my goal to get a good nights sleep, and continue my path, I am not really a boon docker with long stays in one place.

So here is the story, I have somehow developed a small fear of the USA, and travelling. To make it worse I have been travelling the past 2 months with my partner, from USA, who did not do this lifestyle in the USA and her herself has no idea what to expect.

I see so many people who travel for years and have no issues, and it seems that these reports are over blown, and considering the 300 million people, are well in check with even the things here. I mean actually we have had a number of issues here, where a couple had a person kill them and burn their RV while in a remote camp ground in British Columbia.

So I am sure this is over blown, but to tell yourself this is on thing, but to really live it and to know it is another.

So I am curious about how many people here travelling the USA really have had a problem with this, and what are you strategies to keep yourself safe. It it just your attitude, do you worry about it, do you find that in reality that most people are just hard working and honest that we will meet in the USA?

Also what do you tell the border services. It seems that they think I want to go work in the USA or something, and that sure is not the case, what do you give to them if you are a Canadian to bypass or to minimize the chances of being rejected and them thinking you are working. I know of Canadians who boon dock in Nevada etc for month, so I know this should not be hard to get in to travel around, I am cusious what people say and do you find any certain areas that raises concern for US border security?

Thanks any help or assurances appreciated in advance.

[Jagtech]

jefferyofsky wrote:
As a Canadian in a law where we have no hand guns

The gun control laws in Canada only keep the good guys from owning guns. The criminals still have guns, and no gun control laws are ever going to change that. Your esteemed U.S. leader needs to realize that.
That said, I've never had any issues while RVing, whether in Canada or the U.S., never felt threatened or at risk.

[Crowe]

Jeff, keep in mind the media in the US LOVES to sensationalize all kinds of violence-it's just how the media is. Being aware of your surroundings is the most important thing of all, and don't think just because you are in a tourist or suburban/county setting that nothing can happen-it can. And just as an FYI, while New York City has a higher murder rate than Toronto, Toronto's overall violent crime rate is considerably higher than New York's, based on 2010 Canadian crime stats. Again, just be wary and careful in any area you aren't used to and you should be fine.

[OkSixpack]

Just delete it all.

[Opie431]

Our son and his wife tent camped near a large urban area with a high crime rate.
Gave me a stomach ache thinking about it.
They never had any problems with crime, Did not own a gun.

They were in state parks.

[pianotuna]

Hi,

If you stay longer than 31 days in USA you must fill out a 'closer connections to Canada' form from the US internal revenue service. The form has to be sent in in June of each year.

If you plan on visiting each year the maximum number of days works out to about 120 per calendar year.

[Gone2TheDogs]

Hi - First of all, consider all the money you will save on gas when you're in the USA. I know prices are down everywhere now, but all fuel is always so much cheaper stateside - figure out your gallons and litre conversions and be prepared to be shocked. As to gun violence anywhere, make it a point to avoid locations where there are a lot of police cruisers with nothing to do but cruise and look around. After checking for barred windows, that's the next best 'heads up'. For background research, look at YouTube and search for "false flags," to balance out the impressions left by all those scary news reports.

[jefferyofsky]

Thanks everyone, this is very concise, and it is great to hear such great experiences, and look forward to travelling the USA. I figured that I was not seeing things in their true perspective.

And it is true there is risks everywhere, recently stuck at an accident site a truck did not see the flaggers stop sign and could have take us all out in that stop as his truck bed went sideways, so there is probably higher risks to these things than any sort of gun violence in reality as you have all suggested.

Is there any indexes published, here or elsewhere that you can use as a site locator and to share feedback as to the laws and things?

[2gypsies1]

We full-timed for 16 years traveling constantly. We've stayed in all kinds of campgrounds, public areas and boondocking spots. We've never felt uncomfortable during any of our stays. We left the RV during the day and went off siteseeing and never any problems.

We don't live in fear. If that would be the case we wouldn't have owned a RV. We just used common sense. We felt as comfortable in the lower 48 as we did traveling through Canada and the Yukon. 🙂

[azrving]

I know nothing about Canadians time limits etc for coming to the USA. You probably want to look more like a vacationer or snowbird rather than just a person crossing in a vehicle with no plan. Just my guess.

It's not like there are crazy people running around killing people everywhere in the USA. To me it's all about where you are at. There are areas of most any city that I wouldn't go. I wont go to areas of Yuma at night yet it seems like a pretty decent place in the day time and same for Lake City Florida. It's all about risk and people. You could stop in a rest area along I75 headed south and have a higher chance of getting robbed or having your vehicle broke into because you have a more mixed crowd traveling that route. On I75 north through northern Mich you are more likely to run into people like you or I who live up there or vacationing. At the same time we also had locals in northern Mich who were following older folks home from the drug store and mugging them. Rare but stuff happens anywhere. They are just far more likely to get shot in the USA.


On one hand if someone plopped you down in the middle of Detroit in my opinion if you were walking you would be lucky to make it out alive and certainly just about absolutely be mugged.

If you weren't at least mugged then it would probably be because they think you are crazy and something was up. Now if they plopped you down in the state forest off the side of M72 near Grayling it's going to be a very long walk to Mc Donalds. You may have someone pull up and ask if you are ok or need a ride and the state police would probably pull up and ask you what's up.

Speaking of Michigan and probably may cities I can tell you that if you plan on stealth parking on the street or in city park parking lots etc it may not work out well. There are ordinances in most areas as far as sleeping in your vehicle. Some people do become good at it and make it work.

If you are planning on camping and traveling the USA you can do it and pretty cheaply. It obviously works better in some states than others with most of it being more to the west.

As you go north in Mich and the state lands and national forests start you can disperse camp on thousands of acres. The Michigan DNR website has a one page permit that you fill out and you can disperse camp after following their guidelines. I suppose someone could rip you if they saw your stuff out there but it's unlikely. The most vulnerable areas are closer to the populations. The areas where a couple local yokals randomly hit you. I have been to hiking trail heads in a few areas and noticed crushed glass in the parking area. Well....to me that's from the locals seeing you go in there knowing that you will be out on that trail for a while and they smash a window for your valuables and split. It's situational in that respect and probably happens in Canada too. There are even places out in the sticks that we size up and dont feel comfortable in so we move on.

Yes, most people are ok so you need to position yourself with those people. Where I'm camped we dont have a problem with anyone stealing anything. I have a problem with people leaving gifts at our steps when we are gone and I rack my brain trying to figure out who it was. I have worked on peoples rv's that we met along the way and would stop in a heart beat to help one out. I consider everyone from the tent dweller to the big MH people to all be in the same group. Yes, even those truck campers ;). Many of us who boondock will sort of touch base with each other and have some continuity and watch out for each other.

If you have the financial means it's a great place to follow the seasons and live pretty cheap. You can develop friends and I will tell you that there are fantastic people who will teach you the tricks. Free camping, free water, free dump sites and all the best deals.

You are here so you are already among friends.

[Naio]

I was born in the US and have been camping in the US since the 1960s I am urban camped right now while I am writing this.

I have NEVER had a scary or dangerous encounter when camping.

I live in an area where a lot of people have guns, for hunting or sports orfor (possibly misguided) protection, and I have never had a scary incident involving a gun.

Yes, we have a lot of shootings in the US. But you are approximately one zillion times more likely to get hurt in a car crash than a shooting. People mostly shoot people they know -- fellow criminals, ex wives, etc. Just don't befriend psychos and you will be ok.

Urban camping, you will be fine if you stay out of the few big city neighborhoods with bars on the windows. If everyone you see is a different race from you and looks at you like 'what the heck are you doing here', then move on. Again, there are not a lot of places like that.

Also, do not try to get an abortion or go to a mosque in the US until after the election :/.

[rk911]

jeff, we've been doing the RV thing since 1986 and while we've experienced a few rowdy neighbors (alcohol + holiday weekends = moronic behavior in some) and a theft of a few minor items left out at our unattended campsite (also on a holiday weekend) we've never ever been in a position where we feared for our personal security. well, there was that bear warning in Yellowstone... ;o)

seriously, the vast majority of the gun violence occurs in certain neighborhoods in our large-to-medium cities and the vast majority is committed by street/drug gangs against other street/drug gangs. innocents are sometimes caught in the middle but tragic as it may be it's not a common situation. when that does happen it makes the headlines for several days as the media will milk it for all it is worth.

trust your inner voice to tell you if a situation or ONP spot is sketchy and just move on. and while there is no such thing as absolute safety if you stay out of the affected neighborhoods and don't involve yourselves in illegal activity such as buying or selling narcotics, trafficking in weapons, smuggling and so on you should have no issues whatsoever. as you wrote, the overwhelming majority of folks you'll meet will be good, decent, honest folks.

we haven't had an occasion to cross the northern border in a long time but I imagine when asked what your intentions are simply tell them you're a tourist.

enjoy your travels and be happy.