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bighatnohorse
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2021 Arctic Fox 1150
'15 F350 6.7 diesel dually long bed
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CAJW
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Here's what we use for our toad Jeep. Less than a minute to install and works in multiple vehicles.

http://www.rvibrake.com/RVibrake2-p/abs-12011.htm
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joeshmoe
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In short, yes. It would work similar to a trailer's braking system. It would be a hassle though. The only way to make the factory brake controller work is to install an electric over hydraulic trailer brake actuator. You'd then have to find somewhere to mount it in the Jeeps engine compartment. Then, you'd have to tie into the Jeeps brake lines AFTER the proportioning valve/master cylinder since the actuator regulates the needed PSI by what the brake controller tells it. You'd also need reverse lockout valve to stop fluid from going back into the master cylinder when the brakes are applied. When you add up the cost of the actuator, extra parts and labor (if you don't DIY) you're looking at the cost of, or more than a brake buddy or similar device.

Like I said, a hassle.

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FIRE_UP
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bighatnohorse wrote:
klutchdust wrote:
Interesting concept. The controller sends a signal to the electric brakes on a trailer so why not to a unit on the toad. I am sticking to the ready brake, when things go wrong I can visually see what it could be in a minute or two, electronics? Not so much.

That's right. My car hauler simply plugs into the trucks 7-pin connector and the brakes work on the car hauler.
I'm going over to Freeway Trailers (local shop) tomorrow and ask if they can do it.


Well, saying that your trailer brakes work on your car hauler simply by plugging into the 7-pin connector is a pretty vague answer. What, may I ask, is the controlling factor, that makes the brakes work, on the trailer? Do you have a break controller in the cab of your truck that, is wired into your 7-pin connector? Something has to regulate the amount of braking that your trailer applies. So, a bit more of an explanation might be appreciated.

OP,
Well, to be honest, your Jeeps brakes are hydraulic. And because of that, you need something to apply pressure on the jeeps brake system, to activate the Jeeps brakes.

A brake controller, normally applied in an aftermarket sense, something like Prodogy or Tecumseh, is a graduated, many times inertia activated, electronic brake signal, sent to the ELECTRONIC brakes on a trailer, not a vehicle. The brakes on many, if not most, trailers are electric and operate via a magnet being pulled towards a disc or drum brake back there. The more amperage applied to the magnets, the greater the braking power is applied to the trailers drums etc.

So, I'm going to assume, that your integrated trailer brake controller in your truck is factory and, it's an electronic one. That controller is designed to control the electric brakes in a trailer.

Hence, that is why there are so many aftermarket Brake units that are placed in the toad, to press on the brake pedal of the toad, to use the toads own brake hydraulic system, to apply the brakes. The one that I and many others use is called the Ready Brake. It PULLS on the brake pedal to apply pressure to the hydraulic system.

But, unless I'm way off here, your integrated controller will not work. And, even if you wanted it to, you'd have to come up with some mechanism that, would convert, the electronic signal emanating from your trucks controller, to a mechanical one, that would apply the brakes hydraulically to your Jeep. Hope this helps some.
Scott
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trail-explorer
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I've never seen a device that would convert the elctric signal to something that could control hydraulic pressure to drive the power brakes on a vehicle being towed wheels down.
I can't fathom how something like this could be accomplished.
Bob

bighatnohorse
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klutchdust wrote:
Interesting concept. The controller sends a signal to the electric brakes on a trailer so why not to a unit on the toad. I am sticking to the ready brake, when things go wrong I can visually see what it could be in a minute or two, electronics? Not so much.

That's right. My car hauler simply plugs into the trucks 7-pin connector and the brakes work on the car hauler.
I'm going over to Freeway Trailers (local shop) tomorrow and ask if they can do it.
2021 Arctic Fox 1150
'15 F350 6.7 diesel dually long bed
Eagle Cap Owners
โ€œThe best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."
-Yeats

klutchdust
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Interesting concept. The controller sends a signal to the electric brakes on a trailer so why not to a unit on the toad. I am sticking to the ready brake, when things go wrong I can visually see what it could be in a minute or two, electronics? Not so much.

mowermech
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Explorer
I'm not sure, but I don't think auxiliary braking systems are controlled by the towing vehicle brake controller. I believe the control circuitry is built in or (as in the Ready Brake) not used at all.
IF a Brake Controller is required for operation of the auxiliary braking system, the system built in to the truck should work just like any add-on unit.
You might wish to check the aux. braking unit you plan to use and see just what is required for proper operation.
In other words, read the instructions.
Good luck.
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Reddog1
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oldmattb
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Not easily done, I would assume. The brake controller uses a variable electric current to modulate the brakes of the towed item. Brakes on the Jeep I would assume to be hydraulic like most cars.

I suppose one could add an electric modulated pump to the Jeep, though I have not heard of this. Maybe another vector with the ABS circuitry?

Matt B
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