California Fire

[JumboJet]

Someone did not move fast enough.......

[Reddog1]

I think this thread has pretty well run itself out, and is going way Off Topic.

It is closed.

Wayne
Moderator

[TOOBOLD]

Buzzcut1 wrote:
And people are also misinformed as to the system

http://www.iaff1775.org/news/local/294-the-truth-about-firefighter-retirement

its not always about line of duty deaths, or post employment cancers. it is the haunting memories. the panicked husband screaming save my wife while the kids watch stunned. its the wife staring at you after unsucessful cpr. its holding the 13 year old after you tell her you can't help daddy. the screams of pain. almost every bad call from my career is stuck in my head regardless of the counciling i received.

what did you take away from your career?

I'm no firefighter, but this was the case in my family. The vision of my father in law is etched in my brain as he was unconsolable as my mother in law was loaded into the ambulance. They tried but could not revive her.

I'd be curious to see what the life expectancy of a fireman is with all the carcinogen exposure with fires?

[Buzzcut1]

hey i don't get a pension. i am one of the 80% of the nations firefighters that are either paid call or volunteer ( my county is paid call) . as far as pensions. yeah its a indirect fee the monies come from property taxes and other levies. dont blame the unions the elected reprepresentatives of tbe tax payers are 50% reponsible. just dont even say the job is easy unless you have walked in our shoes.

[pezvela]

Nice list of half truths, buzzcut. I could shoot holes in most of those, if I was motivated to spend the time .

Oh, and I was in CALPERS for 30 years.

Taxpayers dont pay fireman's retirement.........what a crock!!!! Who pays the matching employer contributions to PERS??? Taxpayers, of course, through the cities, counties and state entities that employ firefighters.

Many, many firefighters get SS now. Maybe not Marin, but many do.

[Buzzcut1]

And people are also misinformed as to the system

http://www.iaff1775.org/news/local/294-the-truth-about-firefighter-retirement

its not always about line of duty deaths, or post employment cancers. it is the haunting memories. the panicked husband screaming save my wife while the kids watch stunned. its the wife staring at you after unsucessful cpr. its holding the 13 year old after you tell her you can't help daddy. the screams of pain. almost every bad call from my career is stuck in my head regardless of the counciling i received.

what did you take away from your career?

[pezvela]

I cant comment on the situation pictured.

But, statistically, being a fireman is one of the safest jobs in America. It was in the top ten, based on a news report I read just a few months back. It was based on BLS statistics.

I'd say it's no wonder people are complaining about the cushy retirement that many fireman get. 3% at 50? Man, must be nice. The unions have done a good job portraying the dangers of being a fireman as something similar to being a policman.

Sorry, but statistically, they are light years apart.

[KFS]

I am a materialistic person. I love my "stuff." That said I would not fault, judge, or otherwise presume to say what someone else "should" do. We don't know what individuals chose to - or had the opportunity to - grab on the way to safety.

I can tell you that of all the "stuff" I own - and love - (I'd be trying to drag a 19' Chaparral with my TEETH if I could) -- the only "must have" is the hands of my two precious children and being within eyesight of my husband who was once a firefighter. In a perfect world there would also be two dogs, a cat who runs our lives, three goats and some photo albums. Everything else is just gravy.

As the spouse of a former firefighter I also would not want one person to put his/her life at risk to save my camper. I love it, yes, but there is a reason we have insurance. I presume they are attempting to put out the fires they can with the training they have to prevent the spread.

I also presume they know far more than I do about such things. May God protect them all.

[SuperiorBound]

SkipPro3,,, seeing the picture of what was left of your house Very sad.
And I gotta say if a fire were heading my way and my camper were in storage sorry camper but I would be outta here.

[firefighterpro]

I don't know what happened but I replied to different thread and after hitting "Post Message" I was redirected here. uhm well that's odd.

[firefighterpro]

🙂

[monkey44]

You can do some pretty trick things with those telephotos - make a bird huge compared to a predator, or make a molehill into a mountain. Lots of fun in the outdoors under different conditions than this fire ... Happy Camping

[HJGyswyt]

monkey44 wrote:
it's called 'lens compression' and foreshortens the image

Thank You Monkey44, I lacked the correct terminology, but I do have a basic understanding of the physics involved in that shot. All the best, Hans

[monkey44]

Telephoto lens -- it's called 'lens compression' and foreshortens the image so it looks like everything is within a few feet when it's often a hundred feet or more.

If you see the fireman in that photo, half of him almost as tall as the camper if you look at it and compare his height, but his size is much bigger than if he was standing next to it, his body covers more than half width of the truck hood. He's probably thirty feet away, at least.

[bighatnohorse]

HJGyswyt wrote:
I tried to read each comment in this thread and the one thing I didn't see anyone mention was that the photo was a long shot with a telephoto lens and I'd like to believe that there is actually a lot more distance between the fireman and those two burning RV's. Anyone familiar with the use of a telephoto lens's will know that distance can be deceiving when viewed through a compressed shot.

And any property loss usually means the owner is out a fair amount of their investment even with the best of insurance.

My two cents, Hans

And a very good two cents, Hans.