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Diesel life span

NEnative
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I am thinking of purchasing a one ton deisel dually. Currently I have a 250 gasser. Can any of you senior members that have been towing for years with a deisel tell me how many miles I can expect out of a deisel if follow factory maintenance schedule. Not asking any particular brand, just the engine expectancy. Trying to justify the cost!
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mich800
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Grit dog wrote:
Fordlover wrote:
My uncle's 2002 explorer with a gas V6 is is nearing 400K miles, so I'd hope a diesel can go at least that many miles.


Your uncle should buy a lottery ticket! Thank god he doesn't have a Durango or trailblazer with that many miles, you probably couldn't post it......
All I can say to anyone is go search used truck adds and see how many 2-300kmi diesel pickups are for sale vs 2-300kmi gassers.


There is absolutely no shortage of gas trucks for sale with more than 200k miles. You will be scrolling for days. If you cannot find a gas truck for sale in decent condition with more than 200k mile you are not trying too hard.

Lessmore
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Explorer II
It would be interesting to see comments regarding comparative longevity/reliability of different gas/diesel engines, from professional mechanics, who provide service, for both gas and diesel powered light trucks, ie; pickups.

It's interesting to listen to owners, but I, myself would also like to hear from mechanics out there who also have experience working with light truck engines.

I have a feeling that modern diesel and gas engines are both capable of lasting for 250,000 to 300,000 miles of hard work, with good maintenance and little other than factory recommended maintenance and not much replacement of parts, other than service items.

Back in the late '90's I was running in one vehicle of mine, a Chevy Vortec 4300. I asked the dealership mechanics how many miles I could expect out of this engine. Their reply was that it was quite a little workhorse and it wasn't that unusual to see them come in for oil changes, etc. in light truck/vans used commercially...with well over 250,000 -300,000 miles with little repair needed in that lifetime.

I also recall a newspaper article in my berg that had a story about a early 90's Dodge with a Cummins diesel. That truck was used to ferry trailers from Indiana to points across western Canada. The owner/operator took it to the same local dealer for oil changes/required maintenance. It had well over a million miles, last I had heard of it.

I think it is almost a rule of thumb that modern light truck engines whether gas or diesel, can run up very high miles, with little other than factory required maintenance.

DanNJanice
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Dog Trainer wrote:
DanNJanice wrote:
2003silverado wrote:
I might get flamed here, but in my opinion about the only thing in the auto industry that has become less reliable in the last 10-15 years is the Diesel engines in light trucks. Diesels are regarded as long lasting mainly because of the logic of long ago, when gassers were junk after 100k miles and diesels were so simplistic, mainly due to the lack of an ignition system. Give it fuel and its gonna run. Diesels today are anything but simplistic with their electronics and 30,000+ psi injection systems. Most of the problems are emissions related.

Since you are getting a dually I imagine you are towing so heavy that a diesel may be necessary. But these days to buy a diesel solely for reliability and longevity is not sound logic, again, in my opinion.

X2
Modern diesels are not the "tractor" engines of yesteryear that ran their whole life at one low RPM speed. These engines are probably more complex that their gas counterparts and you can expect similar lifespan as a gas engine. Having said that, if you need power, you gotta go with a diesel!

That is an interesting observation do you truly believe that todays modern Diesels have the same life expectancy as a gas motor. I for one believe that these diesels will run much longer than that.

That is hard to say, I will let you know when my truck gets to the very high miles.
However, my instinct tells me that diesel pickup truck engines are not the tractor-like engine that is built and designed to run forever.
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transferred
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DanNJanice wrote:
2003silverado wrote:
I might get flamed here, but in my opinion about the only thing in the auto industry that has become less reliable in the last 10-15 years is the Diesel engines in light trucks. Diesels are regarded as long lasting mainly because of the logic of long ago, when gassers were junk after 100k miles and diesels were so simplistic, mainly due to the lack of an ignition system. Give it fuel and its gonna run. Diesels today are anything but simplistic with their electronics and 30,000+ psi injection systems. Most of the problems are emissions related.

Since you are getting a dually I imagine you are towing so heavy that a diesel may be necessary. But these days to buy a diesel solely for reliability and longevity is not sound logic, again, in my opinion.

X2
Modern diesels are not the "tractor" engines of yesteryear that ran their whole life at one low RPM speed. These engines are probably more complex that their gas counterparts and you can expect similar lifespan as a gas engine. Having said that, if you need power, you gotta go with a diesel!


Used as grocery getters I agree, but pulling or hauling big loads much of the year a diesel will in most cases far outlast a gasser.
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Dog_Trainer
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DanNJanice wrote:
2003silverado wrote:
I might get flamed here, but in my opinion about the only thing in the auto industry that has become less reliable in the last 10-15 years is the Diesel engines in light trucks. Diesels are regarded as long lasting mainly because of the logic of long ago, when gassers were junk after 100k miles and diesels were so simplistic, mainly due to the lack of an ignition system. Give it fuel and its gonna run. Diesels today are anything but simplistic with their electronics and 30,000+ psi injection systems. Most of the problems are emissions related.

Since you are getting a dually I imagine you are towing so heavy that a diesel may be necessary. But these days to buy a diesel solely for reliability and longevity is not sound logic, again, in my opinion.

X2
Modern diesels are not the "tractor" engines of yesteryear that ran their whole life at one low RPM speed. These engines are probably more complex that their gas counterparts and you can expect similar lifespan as a gas engine. Having said that, if you need power, you gotta go with a diesel!

That is an interesting observation do you truly believe that todays modern Diesels have the same life expectancy as a gas motor. I for one believe that these diesels will run much longer than that.
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Grit_dog
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Fordlover wrote:
My uncle's 2002 explorer with a gas V6 is is nearing 400K miles, so I'd hope a diesel can go at least that many miles.


Your uncle should buy a lottery ticket! Thank god he doesn't have a Durango or trailblazer with that many miles, you probably couldn't post it......
All I can say to anyone is go search used truck adds and see how many 2-300kmi diesel pickups are for sale vs 2-300kmi gassers.
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DanNJanice
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2003silverado wrote:
I might get flamed here, but in my opinion about the only thing in the auto industry that has become less reliable in the last 10-15 years is the Diesel engines in light trucks. Diesels are regarded as long lasting mainly because of the logic of long ago, when gassers were junk after 100k miles and diesels were so simplistic, mainly due to the lack of an ignition system. Give it fuel and its gonna run. Diesels today are anything but simplistic with their electronics and 30,000+ psi injection systems. Most of the problems are emissions related.

Since you are getting a dually I imagine you are towing so heavy that a diesel may be necessary. But these days to buy a diesel solely for reliability and longevity is not sound logic, again, in my opinion.

X2
Modern diesels are not the "tractor" engines of yesteryear that ran their whole life at one low RPM speed. These engines are probably more complex that their gas counterparts and you can expect similar lifespan as a gas engine. Having said that, if you need power, you gotta go with a diesel!
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Fordlover
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My uncle's 2002 explorer with a gas V6 is is nearing 400K miles, so I'd hope a diesel can go at least that many miles.
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transamz9
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carringb wrote:
All the diesel ENGINES can last nearly forever. I've only worn one out and it was a Cummins 5.9 in a 16,000 pound F650 which topped 40,000 when fully loaded. Also it was driven hard and geared low so it was near redline on the freeway. It got rebuilt around 350,000 miles (did not cost much more than a modern v8 rebuild).

That said, the emissions and fuel systems on the newer trucks arrant as durable as the motors they are bolted to, and can be $$$ to fix.


LOL! I know what you mean. We have a 650 with a 5.9 Cummins mated to an Ally trans. I went and got loaded one day to take some rock to a local job site and scaled just under 40,000. LOL Hydraulic breaks don't work to good on those trucks when 7 tons over the GVWR......LOL and people on here say an RV a couple thousand pounds over a TV's little sticker is going to kill a whole town of people. HAHAHA!!
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carringb
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All the diesel ENGINES can last nearly forever. I've only worn one out and it was a Cummins 5.9 in a 16,000 pound F650 which topped 40,000 when fully loaded. Also it was driven hard and geared low so it was near redline on the freeway. It got rebuilt around 350,000 miles (did not cost much more than a modern v8 rebuild).

That said, the emissions and fuel systems on the newer trucks arrant as durable as the motors they are bolted to, and can be $$$ to fix.
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JIMNLIN
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Your current trailer is 12k lbs and you say you may have a heavier trailer some time in the future.
The diesel makes sense/cents in your situation over any of the high hp smallblock gas engines at those weights.

My RV trailers weighs 11200-11400 depending how long the trip will be. I also pull a 16K GN tri axle GN stock trailer.
My '03 2500 Dodge /Cummins NV5600 3.73 axle pulls both fine and with 278k miles on the odo the truck has had very little out of pocket maintenance expenses since I bought it new in 1-20-'03.

Stay under 14k-15k lbs with a 350/3500 SRW GM/RAM or Ford with the right package for max payloads and you won't need a DRW truck.
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Dog_Trainer
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IMHO you would benifit from the diesel when pulling 12,000. Look not only at your usage today but as you say you want to be covered into your retirement years. Buy a truck that will cover today and a little extra for the future. A 1 ton dually sounds like a plan and proper maintenance and care it runs 20 years +. My last Diesel was 22 years old when I sold it it was the much sought after Gen 1 5.9 cummins people were beating a path to my door to buy it.
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1jeep
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Dont be afraid of new diesels, I just put over 100k on my last one, just add DPF fluid, never had any emission related issues. However my truck does nothing but straight highway or towing and I has very little idle hours, just over 152hours in that 100k miles. Idle and short trips is what seems to be killing some of the newer diesel.

The only reason I traded it in was to get a 1 ton dually, as I do tow over 14k lbs.
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DirtyOil
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FishOnOne wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Diesels are just a money pit! Only 400K or so on this one.



I think the OP is inquiring about a new diesel truck with a DPF with all the latest emissions and it would be nice to see someone bragging on their high mileage DPF equipped diesel truck.

BTW... Nice boat :W


not as high as my 2005 ... but I have 110,000 miles on mine, but soon... (they say oil will +$50/bbl soon... so I might be back working and I'll have money to blow) I will be doing the EGR and DEF deletes on the 2013... can't wait!!! :B

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Bedlam
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Since OP is on the east coast, elevation climbs are not that great and gasser will be suitable for more weight than out west. Considering that this will be a retirement truck with possibly a larger trailer in tow later, I hope the OP has plans to go farther west than the great plains and gets the diesel to make the trips this way a breeze.

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