EV charging quandry

[wanderingaimles]

One of the main reasons folks that promote EVC's was home charging, and the savings. Now Stanford University has looked into it. And they are saying its the worst way to approach charging.
Stanford study
So, cant during peak usage, cant overnight, guess Kali is going to tell folks to charge them in Nevada.

[propchef]

rhagfo wrote:

Lwiddis wrote:
Keep guessing! Refueling ICEs in the very early days was done by buying gasoline in one gallon containers from a hardware store. Lead, follow or get out of the way. California chooses to lead.

They lead with the with the cart before the horse. Mandate electric cars by 2035, but don’t have the electrical grid capacity to support it. Can they build it up that soon, only time will tell.

They *do* have the capacity, they say so in the study. The excess capacity has shifted from night to early and mid-day due to improvements in Solar and they're saying that consumers should change habits OR big changes need to be made to the grid.

From the study posted:

Today, California has excess electricity during late mornings and early afternoons, thanks mainly to its solar capacity. If most EVs were to charge during these times, then the cheap power would be used instead of wasted. Alternatively, if most EVs continue to charge at night, then the state will need to build more generators – likely powered by natural gas – or expensive energy storage on a large scale. Electricity going first to a huge battery and then to an EV battery loses power from the extra stop.

And this study also looks at all of the western states and says so several times. Our grid in the U.S. has been on life support for decades, just look at what happened in Texas. That wasn't due to EV charging.

[bgum]

I was just considering the amount of pollution released by ice engines in the recent storm in Florida. Every car, truck, lawn mower, and flooded boat released gasoline and oil into the environment. And a recent poster was only concerned about EV car batteries exploding.

[toedtoes]

Lwiddis wrote:
“Mandate electric cars by 2035….” Why couldn’t the Legislature extend this date if necessary?

This date is only mandated IF the infrastructure can handle it AND the technology allows for it.

The actual mandate is to encourage technological advances in the EV arena. If that doesn't happen, then the mandate doesn't take effect.

The only stupid thing regarding any of this is all the idiots who whine about this mandate while their states eliminate human rights and freedoms. But I guess being a bunch of old white men, they just don't have to worry about the rest...

Yet.

[Pbutler97]

Lwiddis wrote:
“Mandate electric cars by 2035….” Why couldn’t the Legislature extend this date if necessary?

First you would have to vote in a legislature where the majority has some common sense.

[CA_Traveler]

Electric supply will have to keep up with demand. Several informal EV road trips have indiacted that highway charging rates are up to 3 times at home rates and work charging rates could be similar. Given that and no other changes most of us would want to charge at home.

And there are a lot of other pro and con issues with the switch to EVs that are not yet being considered.

[Lwiddis]

“Mandate electric cars by 2035….” Why couldn’t the Legislature extend this date if necessary?

[rhagfo]

Lwiddis wrote:
Keep guessing! Refueling ICEs in the very early days was done by buying gasoline in one gallon containers from a hardware store. Lead, follow or get out of the way. California chooses to lead.

They lead with the with the cart before the horse. Mandate electric cars by 2035, but don’t have the electrical grid capacity to support it. Can they build it up that soon, only time will tell.

[Pbutler97]

Lwiddis wrote:
Keep guessing! Refueling ICEs in the very early days was done by buying gasoline in one gallon containers from a hardware store. Lead, follow or get out of the way. California chooses to lead.

California is certainly leading in it's residents making a mass exodus to other states, and it's not good........ for the other states.

[Grit_dog]

Can’t wait for the res of the EV nut humpers to chime in.
A respected institution in their idyllic state of Cali publishing something like this.
They will have to update their dreams and means of being in denial of reality.
Thanks for posting!

[monkey44]

As a former Californian, I can say this. Watch what California does, then do something else, anything else. We can learn from its mistakes.

[ferndaleflyer]

With power from those dry lakes being created while keeping swimming pools filled. LOL!

[Lwiddis]

Keep guessing! Refueling ICEs in the very early days was done by buying gasoline in one gallon containers from a hardware store. Lead, follow or get out of the way. California chooses to lead.