GM Admits Fudging Payload Ratings

[BurbMan]

GM Admits Fudging Payload Ratings

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[Cummins12V98]

"Back away from the Goat Kool Aid....It's effect is showing! "

But it tastes go good Daddy.

[Fast_Mopar]

spoon059 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
Hate to bust your chops but Ford trucks is the most American truck.

Ford Most American Truck

In addition both Toyota and RAM are not an American Company. :R

Not the time nor the place to have this argument. If you would like to debate it, start a new thread.

Well, Fish is correct (did I just say that???).

I am a redneck, and buying American is very important to me. When Chrysler was bought by Daimler in 1997, I stop buying Chrysler products. I went to GM and Ford instead. Then, the bailouts soured me on Chrysler and GM. Then, I decided to get over it. GM, Ford, and Chrysler all have a lot of American operations, and I try to support them all.

Sorry, did not mean to hijack.

[spoon059]

FishOnOne wrote:

spoon059 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
Hate to bust your chops but Ford trucks is the most American truck.

Ford Most American Truck

In addition both Toyota and RAM are not an American Company. :R

Not the time nor the place to have this argument. If you would like to debate it, start a new thread.

There's nothing to debate.... The fact's are the fact's.

Just a reminder that GM and Ford are American companies. :B

... Not the time nor the place still. If you want to have a pissing match, I had a lot to drink with dinner. However, I would prefer not to derail this thread. If you wish to continue showing us the size of something you hold near and dear to your pants zipper, please start another thread.

[FishOnOne]

RoyJ wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
Perhaps Ford should have stuck a F350 badge on the F450 truck and dissolve all the dodge boys excuses. :W

By that line of reasoning, Ram can stick a "1500" on a 3500 Ram dually and claim the undisputed leader in payload & towing.

Poor arguments can be applied both ways.

Are you sure you got your logic correct? :S

[TomG2]

RoyJ wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
Perhaps Ford should have stuck a F350 badge on the F450 truck and dissolve all the dodge boys excuses. :W

By that line of reasoning, Ram can stick a "1500" on a 3500 Ram dually and claim the undisputed leader in payload & towing.

Poor arguments can be applied both ways.

Basically what Ford does with their HD F-150. Take a light duty F-250 and badge it as a F-150 to gain bragging rights in the "Half-ton" category (which really does not exist).

[RoyJ]

FishOnOne wrote:
Perhaps Ford should have stuck a F350 badge on the F450 truck and dissolve all the dodge boys excuses. :W

By that line of reasoning, Ram can stick a "1500" on a 3500 Ram dually and claim the undisputed leader in payload & towing.

Poor arguments can be applied both ways.

[FishOnOne]

spoon059 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
Hate to bust your chops but Ford trucks is the most American truck.

Ford Most American Truck

In addition both Toyota and RAM are not an American Company. :R

Not the time nor the place to have this argument. If you would like to debate it, start a new thread.

There's nothing to debate.... The fact's are the fact's.

Just a reminder that GM and Ford are American companies. :B

[FishOnOne]

rhagfo wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Ford's Super Duty has been "Often Imitated but never duplicated" and that has been the theme from the competition since it's release. Ford's Super Duty has been a great platform since it's release and is just beginning to show it's age.

Ford has never bashed the Cummins tractor engine... That was Gale Banks.

Back away from the Goat Kool Aid....It's effect is showing! :W

No why would they they used it in the F650 for years!!!

No never duplicated, that is why Ford needs to run a F450 to a Ram 3500. That and RAM=SAE J2807 compliant, in fact they needed to RAISE the rating on a couple of their trucks. This is all the way to the 3500, not just the 1/2 Ton 150/1500.

Perhaps Ford should have stuck a F350 badge on the F450 truck and dissolve all the dodge boys excuses. :W

RAM will never be able to duplicate being an American auto company. :W But maybe that's not important to you.

[rhagfo]

FishOnOne wrote:

Ford's Super Duty has been "Often Imitated but never duplicated" and that has been the theme from the competition since it's release. Ford's Super Duty has been a great platform since it's release and is just beginning to show it's age.

Ford has never bashed the Cummins tractor engine... That was Gale Banks.

Back away from the Goat Kool Aid....It's effect is showing! :W

No why would they they used it in the F650 for years!!!

No never duplicated, that is why Ford needs to run a F450 to a Ram 3500. That and RAM=SAE J2807 compliant, in fact they needed to RAISE the rating on a couple of their trucks. This is all the way to the 3500, not just the 1/2 Ton 150/1500.

[RoyJ]

FishOnOne wrote:
Ford's Super Duty has been "Often Imitated but never duplicated" and that has been the theme from the competition since it's release. Ford's Super Duty has been a great platform since it's release and is just beginning to show it's age.

Sometimes you only WANT to go as far as imitation, and not duplication...

There're many all time sales crowns that I'd only want to imitate: Corolla, Camry, early Explorers, etc. There're better vehicles in each category, by just about every performance metric.

[spoon059]

FishOnOne wrote:
Hate to bust your chops but Ford trucks is the most American truck.

Ford Most American Truck

In addition both Toyota and RAM are not an American Company. :R

Not the time nor the place to have this argument. If you would like to debate it, start a new thread.

[larry_barnhart]

I am beginning to wish GM had not won the contest. It would be a lot less whining from the kids on this forum.
chevman

[FishOnOne]

spoon059 wrote:

ib516 wrote:
You're not breaking anything to me, I am aware of drivetrain loss. The difference there is no one is lying to make that happen - its physics.

So is weight... every pound you add to a vehicle is one less pound it can carry. If you are smart enough to know about drivetrain loss, you should be smart enough to know that a truck with 1000 lbs worth of upgrades (leather, subwoofer, fancy grill, heavier wheels, bigger tires) will reduce the available payload by the same.

I'm not saying I agree with what they are doing and should continue... I'm saying that the people that are stupid enough to believe commercials as the only research they do before dropping $50K hold the blame. If those commercials and marginally truthful statements didn't work, they wouldn't do it.

Its just like the idiots on here that get rock hard when they find out that Ram just upped its power levels for 2015 and are now the STRONGEST ENGINE!!! Who gives a darn? These stupid power wars and maximum payload wars are just marketing stunts that do very little for the buyers.

As lone as people keep buying based on emotion ("I'll only buy Chevy"... "I'll only buy the truck with the most HP"... etc) then we will see these questionable tactics.

Hate to bust your chops but Ford trucks is the most American truck.

Ford Most American Truck

In addition both Toyota and RAM are not an American Company. :R

[FishOnOne]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"Why would Ford spend resources and $$$ to certify a truck that will be replaced next year"

Same reason they have the same platform since 1999. The die hard Ford fans don't care so why do anything but one up your competition on paper if you can get away with it. And they have!

As far as the Tractor Engine comment, Ford has thought so much of it and the Allison Transmission they have been and will exclusively offer them thru the 2015 model year.

They have finally decided that giving the Tractor engine such advertising did not help their troubled PowerStroke line.;)

Ford's Super Duty has been "Often Imitated but never duplicated" and that has been the theme from the competition since it's release. Ford's Super Duty has been a great platform since it's release and is just beginning to show it's age.

Ford has never bashed the cummins tractor engine... That was Gale Banks.

Back away from the Goat Kool Aid....It's effect is showing! :W

[spoon059]

ib516 wrote:
You're not breaking anything to me, I am aware of drivetrain loss. The difference there is no one is lying to make that happen - its physics.

So is weight... every pound you add to a vehicle is one less pound it can carry. If you are smart enough to know about drivetrain loss, you should be smart enough to know that a truck with 1000 lbs worth of upgrades (leather, subwoofer, fancy grill, heavier wheels, bigger tires) will reduce the available payload by the same.

I'm not saying I agree with what they are doing and should continue... I'm saying that the people that are stupid enough to believe commercials as the only research they do before dropping $50K hold the blame. If those commercials and marginally truthful statements didn't work, they wouldn't do it.

Its just like the idiots on here that get rock hard when they find out that Ram just upped its power levels for 2015 and are now the STRONGEST ENGINE!!! Who gives a darn? These stupid power wars and maximum payload wars are just marketing stunts that do very little for the buyers.

As lone as people keep buying based on emotion ("I'll only buy Chevy"... "I'll only buy the truck with the most HP"... etc) then we will see these questionable tactics.