Here it comes... the F-150 Diesel

[DakotaDad]

Competition is a good thing.

F-150 Diesel: Images Confirm Ford Turbo-Diesel Engine

These images confirm Ford will be using the Lion V6 found in Jaguar Land Rover products such as the Range Rover. The engine was developed while Ford still owned JLR. Out back, the F-150 diesel engine is further identified by the diesel venturi exhaust tip. Our earlier video confirmed that it sounds notably more diesel-like when running than the Ecoboost V6s that are already offered on the truck.

It appears Ford will be offering a direct competitor to the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel, which uses an Italian VM Mitori 3.0-liter V6 paired with an 8-speed automatic. Whether or not the F-150 diesel will debut with the facelifted F-150 series is uncertain, but we suspect it will be paired with the new 10-speed automatic jointly developed with GM and going into the 2017 Raptor.

Ahem, notice a Ram guy posting GOOD news about Ford. 😉

[SoCalDesertRid1]

Personally, I'd like to see some diesel/electric powerplants (like trains use) in medium/heavy commercial trucks, which would filter down to light/medium trucks eventually.

[hone_eagle]

cafe/epa credits for stop- start , means all vehicles will eventually have it.
and no 'work around'

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

thomasmnile wrote:

Pull over buddy, you're doing 80 in a 70!! :B

But, the DIC is showing some nice fuel mileage numbers there.......:C

hay the signs all say 80/90 :B

[thomasmnile]

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Here is why Ford is going with a 3.0 diesel in their f-150

This pick was taken driving to Dads this weekend. The pick was taken a half mile before the last toll booth on 80/90 in Ohio all highway.

Pull over buddy, you're doing 80 in a 70!! :B

But, the DIC is showing some nice fuel mileage numbers there.......:C

[transamz9]

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
So do tell, what is the issue with the start stop function? I know plenty of people that have it on FCA vehicles and after they get used to it they don't even notice it anymore. First time buyers are the ones that freak out if their dealer doesn't explain the system to them. The dealer is supposed to take the costumer out for a drive and show them how it works and what the system feels like.

So unless Ford is having issues with their system it is a non issue IMO.

Don

HAHAHA!! Yeah right! Most of the salesman around here you would have to show them how it works. Heck, I had to show my salesman (excuse me, product specialist) how to lay the seat down in my mega cab. How long has the mega cab been out? My salesman has been selling Rams for 20 years. LOL

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

So do tell, what is the issue with the start stop function? I know plenty of people that have it on FCA vehicles and after they get used to it they don't even notice it anymore. First time buyers are the ones that freak out if their dealer doesn't explain the system to them. The dealer is supposed to take the costumer out for a drive and show them how it works and what the system feels like.

So unless Ford is having issues with their system it is a non issue IMO.

Don

[Mike_Up]

Sport45 wrote:

Mike Up wrote:
Doesn't make a lot of sense as the new 2.7L Ecoboost already provides great power, great low end torque, with excellent fuel mileage. I just wouldn't have it due to the start/stop garbage at lights and stop signs.

No DEF to deal with, no inflated engine price to deal with, and no searching out diesel fuel in town gas stations.

My son's Jeep does the start/stop thing. It does take some getting used to. He doesn't seem to mind it at all now. You can turn that feature off if you want. At least you can with his Trailhawk. I don't know how Ford does it but I'd be surprised if you couldn't shut theirs off too.

You can only shut it off for each driving session. It defaults back to on after starting it up.

Some members of F150forum.com have found a way to put a jumper in a harness to deactivate it permanently. Next year, the 3.5L Ecoboost will have the start/stop feature as well which isn't comforting to a lot of F150 future buyers.

[Sport45]

Mike Up wrote:
Doesn't make a lot of sense as the new 2.7L Ecoboost already provides great power, great low end torque, with excellent fuel mileage. I just wouldn't have it due to the start/stop garbage at lights and stop signs.

No DEF to deal with, no inflated engine price to deal with, and no searching out diesel fuel in town gas stations.

My son's Jeep does the start/stop thing. It does take some getting used to. He doesn't seem to mind it at all now. You can turn that feature off if you want. At least you can with his Trailhawk. I don't know how Ford does it but I'd be surprised if you couldn't shut theirs off too.

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

Here is why Ford is going with a 3.0 diesel in their f-150

This pick was taken driving to Dads this weekend. The pick was taken a half mile before the last toll booth on 80/90 in Ohio all highway.


This pick was taken a half mile before exit 64 to I-75 with non highway drive included almost all country driving with no resets.


There where four adults in the truck, note the cruse control was set at 80 mpg going to and 70 mpg coming home (on the turnpike) average speed off the pike on country roads was 65 mph and there are town small towns that you have to drop down to 25 mph or you will get a driving award.

My meter runs within .5 to 1 mpg of hand calculation. There is not a Ecoboost out there that can make that kind of mileage at those speeds not the 3.5 and not the 2.7?. As for the up charge to the diesel goes, the EB is not a free upgrade either so that comment is BS. As for the "No DEF to deal with, no inflated engine price to deal with, and no searching out diesel fuel in town gas stations" Even the little towns of Camden and Reading Mi. have diesel fuel as does almost every town in the Country now. This isn't 1980 anymore dude! LOL

Don

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

Who said Fiat owns 50% of GM? :h

[John___Angela]

transamz9 wrote:

John & Angela wrote:

transamz9 wrote:
Here it is......


Electric truck

We own an all electric and although I think they will be mainstream here within a decade , ( 5 years in Europe) I think the truck market is going to be gas and diesel for a couple decades yet. The physics and energy requirements of towing will keep the gas and diesel manufacturers in business for awhile yet. Now anything under 5000 pounds I would suspect will be mainly electric within a decade. At least 3 European countries will not allow the sale of gas or diesel vehicles by 2025 and I suspect the rest will follow suit. Probably take longer on this side of the pond but it will come. It will be the consumer that ultimately decides but the reality is, once you have driven an electric it is real hard to go back to anything with a tail pipe.

JMHO.

Did you look at the link? It's not all electric. It's a hybrid that can run total electric. It does have a tailpipe if needing a charge while driving. Payload is pretty low but it's a start. I like it because you can also use it for a backup generator for the house or to power stuff in the field.

I did. It is a good start and something to build on for sure. I had read an article on them before but appreciate the link. We have interesting times ahead.

[transamz9]

John & Angela wrote:

transamz9 wrote:
Here it is......


Electric truck

We own an all electric and although I think they will be mainstream here within a decade , ( 5 years in Europe) I think the truck market is going to be gas and diesel for a couple decades yet. The physics and energy requirements of towing will keep the gas and diesel manufacturers in business for awhile yet. Now anything under 5000 pounds I would suspect will be mainly electric within a decade. At least 3 European countries will not allow the sale of gas or diesel vehicles by 2025 and I suspect the rest will follow suit. Probably take longer on this side of the pond but it will come. It will be the consumer that ultimately decides but the reality is, once you have driven an electric it is real hard to go back to anything with a tail pipe.

JMHO.

Did you look at the link? It's not all electric. It's a hybrid that can run total electric. It does have a tailpipe if needing a charge while driving. Payload is pretty low but it's a start. I like it because you can also use it for a backup generator for the house or to power stuff in the field.

[John___Angela]

transamz9 wrote:
Here it is......


Electric truck

We own an all electric and although I think they will be mainstream here within a decade , ( 5 years in Europe) I think the truck market is going to be gas and diesel for a couple decades yet. The physics and energy requirements of towing will keep the gas and diesel manufacturers in business for awhile yet. Now anything under 5000 pounds I would suspect will be mainly electric within a decade. At least 3 European countries will not allow the sale of gas or diesel vehicles by 2025 and I suspect the rest will follow suit. Probably take longer on this side of the pond but it will come. It will be the consumer that ultimately decides but the reality is, once you have driven an electric it is real hard to go back to anything with a tail pipe.

JMHO.

[TurnThePage]

SoCalDesertRider wrote:
Hmmm, so Fiat owns all of Chrysler/Dodge and half of GM?

:B